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New to WordPress, A choice to be made! (7 posts)

  1. hunnsdon
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Hello WP’ers

    I’m new to CMS. I have build a few websites using an editor/WYSIWYG, and then adding bits via JavaScript & XHTML.

    As I’m no expert I need some advice on the path to take.

    I am considering a move to a CMS system. But! Which one? I like them all!

    I have looked at a few including Joomla. I have played with them a little but before I commit time in learning one of these I want to get opinions on WordPress compared to other s available.

    Joomla seems a little involved, WordPress seems simpler. There appears to be as many templates out there for it,as there are for Joomla. What I don’t yet understand is:

    Q1: How you update your server with updates, how does this work if you’ve built many sites with WordPress?

    Q2: Can it compete professionally with Joomla if you are, or want to become a website creator? Are there enough modules, plugins, etc?

    Q: Should I not bother, continue to use my editor/ WYSIWYG bite the bullet and learn XHTML and JavaScript?

    Q: Are there any good DVD’s or books out there for you to learn from?

    Regards
    Ray

  2. Adrian Wong
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Hi hunnsdon,
    Here are some links which may help with your questions.

    Q1: How you update your server with updates, how does this work if you’ve built many sites with WordPress?
    This can be done automatically, see http://codex.wordpress.org/Upgrading_WordPress#Automatic_Update.

    Q2: Can it compete professionally with Joomla if you are, or want to become a website creator? Are there enough modules, plugins, etc?
    As you've mentioned, WordPress is much simpler and takes 5min to install. WordPress starts off with the basic blog style website organised by posts assigned to categories and tags, and the user is able to add and custom the templates and plugins as needed.
    Joomla is more robust with more features available straight from the start but it takes alittle more understanding on how the site is setup. Joomla is organised by articles assigned to categories which are assigned to sections. Depending on the size of the site and the functionalities you require, both cms are very well-supported in terms of modules, plugins, templates... etc.

    Q: Should I not bother, continue to use my editor/ WYSIWYG bite the bullet and learn XHTML and JavaScript?
    It depends on the individual preference. As most CMS are fairly easy to install, you can set up a site more quickly than setting up a WYSIWYG editor then adding the customed scripts you wanted. But in a way or so, you may have more control of what you can set up for your clients if you use your customed WYSIWYG editor.

    Q: Are there any good DVD’s or books out there for you to learn from?
    Wordpress has a number of reccommended books located on their site.
    http://wordpress.org/about/books/

    Hope these info helps with your decision.
    :)

  3. hunnsdon
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Hi flatwhitestudio

    Thanks for that. I have managed to find a comparison review see below.

    http://www.a3webtech.com/index.php/compare-joomla-wordpress.html

    An issue that has come to my attention: WP seems to suffer a lot of bugs. These are fixed of course, but if you take the review to heart it they seem to happen in great number and the fixes are not always successful. Is this true? I would appreciate personal experience from users if they they would care to comment.

    Regards
    Ray

  4. AdrianApan
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Hi.

    It really depends on what site you want to transfer to a CMS platform. But regarding numbers here are some quick facts:

    WORDPRESS

    (1) WordPress is a state-of-the-art publishing platform with a focus on aesthetics, web standards, and usability. WordPress is both free and priceless at the same time.

    (2) 4,041,815 websites using WordPress*

    (3) 13,958 plugins**

    (4) Notable sites:
    - http://www.techcrunch.com
    - http://www.thefordstory.com
    - http://news.harvard.edu/gazette

    JOOMLA

    (1) Joomla is an award-winning content management system (CMS), which enables you to build Web sites and powerful online applications. Many aspects, including its ease-of-use and extensibility, have made Joomla the most popular Web site software available.

    (2) 1,407,337 websites using Joomla*

    (3) 7,299 extensions**

    (4) Notable sites:
    - https://nookdeveloper.barnesandnoble.com
    - http://www.tour-eiffel.fr
    - http://www.danone.com

    ----------------------------------------------------------
    * according to http://trends.builtwith.com

    ** according to their official forum page, as follows:
    - WordPress: http://wordpress.org/support
    - Joomla: http://forum.joomla.org
    (numbers recorder on 11th of April 2011)
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Shortly if we look at these, WP is way over Joomla. But again, it really depends on what kind of site would you like to port to a CMS platform. Beside all these info I can personally say that WP will fit for you because it has an extremely easy and intuitive administration backend, it's easy to upgrade etc. Of course Joomla has it's parts too but it just can't reach the WP's current level (community, plugins, tutorials, info, books etc.)

    Shortly I would advice you to go with WP and if you will regret I will personally redo your site in Joomla :D

    Good luck!

  5. hunnsdon
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Hi Adrian

    Thanks for that.

    It sound like an offer not to be refused. Unless of course that was tongue-in-cheek, and personally you only use WordPress.

    So both are good, WP is easy, but not as powerful. Choice seems to be down to it's application.

    Any thoughts on previous post re: Bugs in WP?

    Book's wise I've just bought WordPress 3 Complete. It looks like I'll have to first build a blog as most of this book is naturally focused on that. Perhaps that should give me a grounding in WP operations. I'm assuming I can run two WP back end's on the WAMP server (blog and website).

    Ray

  6. AdrianApan
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Hi Ray.

    Indeed I would opt beside WordPress but for the record I use pretty much all the major CMS platforms out there (the 2nd and 3rd most used CMS platforms are Joomla and Drupal - beside this I use other platforms like: CMS Made Simple, Magento, OpenCart etc.). I use them especially at work but also as a freelancer and for some personal projects too.

    Indeed sometimes there are some small issues (bugs if you like with WP) but these are really minor things and usually updates are released in no time to fix any problems. Until now I can confidently say that I haven`t got any major problems with WP and I have also managed to pull off some complex website using it.

    If we think about modularity (having in sight the costs) I stick to my initial suggestion of using WP. Joomla indeed it's pretty good, robust and modular but at some point I`m sure you will face a pretty common issue: either you learn some coding (PHP, CSS, HTML etc.) to develop your required features or spend some money on extensions/modules/components.

    VS this issue, WP is really a community driven platform. Great support forum, plugins for pretty much everything you can just imagine. Just think about like this ... maybe you have a great news website and in time you form a user community and why not you may want to install an online community for them. Nothing easier, with a simple yet awesome plugin called buddypress you can extend your WP install into a fully functional online community. If we look at Joomla, you will have to spend a few hundred of $ to do this. Even Drupal is better then Joomla in my opinion. I mean I like Joomla's aspects, features and so but after a "few" project I can admit that the most satisfied clients had their projects developed on WP.

    And thus at the first look WP may look simple and not so complex in features, I can say that it's just an impression because I bet you can't name a type of site that cannot be done with WP (from simple presentation website to e-commerce websites, online communities, multi-sites etc. etc.).

    Also you don`t have to have to run 2 WP installs just to have a site with an attached blog. You can fully deploy a presentation website with an attached blog on a single WP install. Of course if you want to make sth like blog.yourdomain.com you can install another WP but also you have other possibilities too.

    To brake it down in a few idea WP is straight-fwd with a great community behind (and a bunch of free stuff) and Joomla have a bit messy and complicated backend with a lot of great, but commercial/payed features.

    I hope I managed to help you in some way ...

    Regards,
    Adrian

  7. hunnsdon
    Member
    Posted 3 years ago #

    Hi Adrian

    Your information is very interesting and very informative. Particularly the fact that you use many different CMS's.

    On the back end comment - I guest since I've haven't used it the blog back end is the same?

    I would be very interested to see your sites you have built particularly WP, Joomla and others where templates can be made using an editor such as Artisteer (I'm sure that making one isn't as hard as it looks but not for now).

    Regards
    Ray

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