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[NEW] ESBN (73 posts)

  1. CalEvans
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Yep, another quality WordPress plugin from the makers of BlogBling. This one integrates your blog and ESBN. Now you can get an Electronic Standard Book Number (ESBN) for each blog entry and you can proudly display it on your blogs.

    Pop over to the Project Page for downloads and install instructions.

    As always, comments, questions and Pizza are always welcome.

    =C=

  2. Piggy
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I'm really surprised this has had no comments - I think it's an excellent plugin.

  3. moshu
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Yes it is. Except that the install isntructions are totally "geeky" and not for the average WP user.

    Unfortunately the coders always forget that User Joe has a PC with windows OS... and are never able to write instructions for UJ in plain English:
    - here is the .zip and here is the .tar.gz
    - download AND unzip it on your computer (most users never heard about command lines and stuff)
    - etc. etc.

    With the instructions you have you just scare away users. Sorry, that's how it is.

  4. CalEvans
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    @moshu

    Sorry that the instructions were not clear. This is my 6th plugin and that's the first comment of that nature I've had. I will review them and see if I can't clear them up a bit. In the mean time, if you have specific questions, I'm happy to help.

    =C=

    p.s. FWIW, my development machine is Windows and I almost never use command line tools on Windows. However, there are so many ways to unzip a file on Windows that it's just easier to use the generic unzip than try and cover them all.

  5. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Cal, it's the use of the word "tarball" that's going to get you oddball looks....

    Windows never heard of that. Windows users generally would have NO CLUE. Try just using the "real" generic "compressed file"....

  6. moshu
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Personally I don't have any questions.
    But I agree very much with vkaryl, these 2 lines
    place the tarball in your wp-content dir.
    untar with tar -zxvf wp-esbn.tgz

    scare the sh*t out of every non-techie user :)

  7. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    ... which is a great way to minimize support efforts... ;-)

    (I kid, really!)

  8. CalEvans
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    @vkaryl,

    hehehe But I like the word tarball. :) Ok, I'll review them tomorrow and try and fix them up a bit. How do most people install plugins? (I ssh into the box, wget the tar FILE and untar it right on the server. I guess I just never put any thought into how others did it.

    @Piggy,
    Ty for the kind words. I I visited your site today. It's very nice. And I love your current thread. Ingenious idea. :)

    =C=

  9. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Um. Jeez. That was about as geeky as I've run across since 1984 (when I got my first box....)

    How do they do it.... download the file to hdd. Uncompress using XP's built-in, winzip, or (in my case) winrar. Upload using either a "common" ftp client or the cpanel upload facility. Activate in the plugin page.

    I do have ssh access because I'm the reseller. However, I can't be bothered to use it. I also have kanotix installed, but since it won't recognize my dual monitors, my vid card, or my modem, I just use windows.

  10. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I do the same as C does, or if I downloaded it to windows I unzip with 7zip and use WinSCP to move it on over.

  11. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    *shrug* You're a geek too, as I've noted in many of your replies....

    I'm not saying that's bad. It's not. I'm saying it's not representative of the "normal windows user installing wp".

  12. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Fair 'nuff. (Although you forced me to go google up "kanotix"...)

  13. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    HA! I'm geekier than you are....! Heh.... hrm....

    Thing is, I'm not a "normal" windows user either for many many reasons. But I AM a web manager for those normal windows users.

    You have NO CLUE, until you've sat with one of them and watched them.... it's a revelation.

  14. moshu
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Handy and Cal,
    it's not about what you, guys, do - because you are not the average WP end user (otherwise you wouldn't be helping out here or wriring plugins, respectively).

    It is about the end user who basically goes by the process described above by vkaryl. That's why I consider any instructions not written with that in mind... almost useless.
    Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh, I always get upset when coders disregard the not-so-techie users like myself. I am just an old (non-native English speaker) linguist killing time around here ;)

  15. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Ah.... phooey. I'm older than you are. But then, I AM a geek, and I AM a native English speaker.

  16. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    And I have issues with thread drifting... sorry :-\

  17. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Don't we all.... but it IS germane really.... because truthfully many many people who see "tarball" in Cal's first sentence there are going to say "huh?" and go away.... And since it's really a pretty cool plugin, that would be too bad.

  18. FruitFly
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I will jump in here to say that I do the same thing vkaryl does, mainly though as a way to make sure my backup copies of my sites (which are kept on my hard drives) are the same as the one on the server. Plus, I always save a copy of any of the zip files of any plugin/theme/etc in case I need to go get a fresh file when... um... IF I screw something up, without having to hunt it down again.

    I've got shell access, and once upon a time I knew how to do everything there, but I've long since forgotten a lot of what I used to know. Everytime I go into vi these days I stop and get a glazed look for a few minutes while I try to recall vi commands.

    But to the point - let me just echo what everyone else has said. Actually, you're lucky if most of the users out there even know how to unzip and FTP. No, I'm not kidding. With the proliferation of Fantastico/one clicks, a lot of people have websites and blogs who have never touched FTP, and having done tech support for many years, I can tell you that zip is still an unknown to a lot of people.

    Not that I'm suggesting you try to be that in depth - just making the point. :)

  19. herold
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    What is the advantage of this plugin?

  20. moshu
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    herold,
    go back to the OP (=first post) and click the 2 (two) links.

  21. CalEvans
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    @all,

    Points well taken. Moshu, I apologize if I came across a bit brusk, I did take offense at the manner of your first post and I shouldn't have. (I'm old and set in my ways.) :)

    I will start reworking the install instructions for all my plugins tomorrow. It'll take a while but I will do my best to approach them from the UJ point of view.

    Thanks to all of you for helping me understand.

    =C=

  22. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    If you want some outside input on the rewrite, Cal, mail me.... vkaryl *AT* bytehaven *DOT* com.

  23. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 8 years ago #

    Man, you people are so 2005 on this "install plugin from a zip" thing...

    http://mattread.com/projects/wp-plugins/installer-the-plugin/

  24. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    ... now if I could just trust plugin authors to zip properly...

  25. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 8 years ago #

    Trust. That's such a human requirement. :|

  26. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Um. I'm speechless. Talk about coals to Newcastle....

    Spare me. Just - spare me.... I didn't have any use for the "plugin manager" and I'm NOT going to have a use for this either....

    Sheesh.

  27. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Nifty tool and I definitely can envision the target audience. But golly, I think I'll join Ms. V. and pass on this one. ;-) I'm not human enough for trust, It would seem.

  28. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Oh, I can envision the target audience as well - beginning with one of the posters to that blog thread.... and "where thou goest" I am NOT going to follow....

  29. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 8 years ago #

    ~ END OF THREAD HIJACK ~

  30. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Hmmm. Is that a hint?

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