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[closed] New admin panel 3.8 is terrible (70 posts)

  1. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 8 months ago #

    Ever hear of the phrase if it aint' broke don't fix it? I see there have been other posts started, and closed on this, but I have to comment. All these benefits you tout in the description, better legibility and so forth, are just not true! It's very hard to see white on black type, there is nothing wrong with gray gradients, they type face is not user friendly or easy to read, it's just all bad. Is there a way to go back? I have two WP sites open and had to upgrade one, the other I will not until I am absolutely forced to. I have both open side by side and the old one is much more readable. Why? Why? Why?

  2. There are color options. Go to your user profile and pick a different one. I like Ecto.

    See also these plugins:

    More colors: http://wordpress.org/plugins/admin-color-schemes/

    Design your own: http://wordpress.org/plugins/admin-color-schemer/

  3. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 8 months ago #

    Wow - it's not about the colors. Once I fix that problem, there are so many, others, which I don't have the ability, inclination or time to deal with. Like the typeface and the flatness (lack of 3D which makes a page readable). I have no interest in 'designing' and admin panel, I want to work on my blog and not waste time 'customizing' something that is fundamentally bad to begin with.

    This user stated the problems much more eloquently than I ever could

    Indeed, the admin theme changes are grotesque. It makes one wonder how so many precious man-hours could be devoted to mucking around with such superficial concerns, particularly when the existing look and feel of the previous admin was visually pleasing and well defined. Adding features is one thing, but dictating personal taste is another.

    Consider the statement posted on the WP site that defends the creation of this ugly theme: "Gone are overbearing gradients and dozens of shades of grey— bring on a bigger, bolder, more colorful design!" Wow! "Overbearing"? Really?--Orwell would love that one. The previous admin theme was subtle, perhaps a bit boring, but "overbearing???!" -- give us a break.

    Then there is the flat-is-cool virus that seems to have infected the coding community. There seems to be some fantasy about how elegant and beautiful flat, featureless, boxes on a stark background are to the viewer. My two year old son draws like that, but I would not call it elegant.

    We need the folks at WP to work on improving security, load times, efficiency and other important improvements under-the-hood--not in your face. The admin area is a work space that needs to be functional well defined and easy on the eyes. The stark, flat, police-cruiser motif of 3.8 really is "OVERBEARING." And the ability to choose other colors really doesn't help much because the design is aesthetically juvenile. Admin themes are the domain of plugins, not the WP core.

  4. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 8 months ago #

    Wait, what? You have to download a plugin to change the appearance of the admin panel? L O Freakin' L! You cannot be serious!

  5. You've always had to use a plugin to change the appearance of the admin panel, past what comes default.

    There are plugins to add 3D back in, ones to adjust color and font-size, etc etc. What this version of the admin dashboard has that the older one did not was, surprisingly, extendability :) You now have the ability to change it FAR more easily than the old way.

    It's no more 'designing' your admin panel than you 'design' your computer desktop when you configure its colors, sizes, and layout to fit your usecase.

  6. mrscindyhammond
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    Hate the new 3.8 admin look. Added the plugin WP-Admin Classic and the Woocommerce Mystile footer widgets just disappear from the admin widget page.

    In order to edit these footer widgets, I have to deactivate WP-Admin Classic, edit the widgets in the absolutely HORRIBLE new admin look where I can't even find anything because nothing looks familiar, then go back to the plugins and activate WP-Admin Classic.

    Pain in the butt!

    I really wish I could just roll back to 3.7. Obviously somebody liked this new look, but to force it on the rest of us is extremely annoying and troublesome.

  7. olyma
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I’m finally getting to upgrading some of my own sites (not client sites), and as I’m doing so, I realized how much I really really hate the new interface. So I’m leaving some feedback now. Please listen to the massive amount of feedback you are receiving and allow (not just through plugins) for people to use a skin of the old interface.

    If WordPress were a company, a TV or radio station, etc. and they got this level of negative feedback, they wouldn’t tell them to shut the * up and use a plugin, even going so far as deleting complaints -- editing the feedback to further justify their actions against community feedback. They’d respond to those complaints. Please please please, respond and make it in core to use the old interface.

    I’m looking at the old interface, and it is quaint and a bit cute. Even the “Howdy” greeting is too!!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WordPress is making a very very grave mistake if they do not listen to these complaints and not being community driven at all.

    Please put the old skin and fonts in core.

    Many thanks.

  8. No one is telling anyone to shut up. You're all entitled to your own opinions :)

    We're only deleting comments when people are derailing legit support topics with complaints (well and the ones that are outright abusive and calling people names).

  9. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    There are plugins to add 3D back in, ones to adjust color and font-size, etc etc. What this version of the admin dashboard has that the older one did not was, surprisingly, extendability :) You now have the ability to change it FAR more easily than the old way.

    I looked at those two plugins you provided links for and I don't see anything except variations of white typeface on a dark background. No 3D, no thin space between boxes, no normal typeface that doesn't take up twice the space and is so thin it's barely readable. Where's the black on grey, 3D, narrow space between boxes, old typeface, etc?

    I didn't want to change it before so the fact that it was difficult to do so before is meaningless to me.
    How about a 'plug-in' for going back to pre-3.8 exactly as it was before, where's that?

    It's no more 'designing' your admin panel than you 'design' your computer desktop when you configure its colors, sizes, and layout to fit your usecase.

    I've already spent way more time on this than I have whether you want to call it 'designing' or not, I still can't see what I'm doing in the admin panel. Do I have to search through thousands of plugins to find a way to customize my desktop? NO! How about doing what the previous commenter suggested and providing the 'go back to 3.7 plugin'.

  10. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I've already spent way more time on this than I have

    Have you then considered hiring someone to resolve this for you?
    http://jobs.wordpress.net
    http://directory.codepoet.com

  11. You may want to try this: http://wordpress.org/plugins/admin-interface-by-avenue-factory

    It breaks about sections a little differently

    How about a 'plug-in' for going back to pre-3.8 exactly as it was before, where's that?

    http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-admin-classic/

  12. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    You may want to try this: http://wordpress.org/plugins/admin-interface-by-avenue-factory

    It breaks about sections a little differently

    The description of this plugin says 'restores balance and visual tactility'. If these are known problems why were they created with this 'update'? I looked at this plugin and it says there are unsolved 'issues'

    Issue list:

    RTL Languages are not yet supported!!!

    Post edit form turns blue (as a result for fixing http://1?ver=3.8 issue)

    Admin bar is not displayed properly on front-end with standard Twenty Thirteen, Twenty Fourteen (updated themes).

    and ask for help in fixing them. This is not my private blog, it's a website I set up for a large organization and I'm not keen on experimenting with and discovering and creating new problems and fielding calls for problems.

  13. I would suggest that you install and test on a local blog until you find the fix that is 100% perfect for your situation then. That's generally what I suggest any dev do, mind you.

  14. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I don't have a 'local' blog to test on. I still am not hearing an explanation why this major snafu was created and I have to invest countless hours of my time trying to 'fix' it. Is it your purpose to create major problems and then tell people to go and figure out how to 'fix' them? If you hadn't wasted untold hours of time making these inexplicable changes I wouldn't be having this problem, would I? Tell me again, what problem did this solve?

  15. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I just realized this comment is from a mod so I'll address it

    Have you then considered hiring someone to resolve this for you?

    Is this a serious suggestion? Is your 'improvement' to WordPress Admin Panel a 'make work' project? You spend how much resources undoing a perfectly good interface and I'm supposed to now hire someone to fix the problems you created? This is a website I created, volunteering my time for free, for a non profit organization that runs entirely on volunteer help and collects no revenue whatsoever. So now I'm supposed to in addition to donating my time, hire someone to fix problems that you created for no apparent good reason?

    And why remove all the comments that were also suggesting the Admin Panel doesn't work? I guess if you remove their comments, it's not a problem.

  16. *Does the hand time out thing*

    I don't think anything negative was meant by suggesting seeking paid help. Honest. [Andrew gives thumbs up]

    *Scrolling up to the top reads "New admin panel 3.8 is terrible"*

    How about a 'plug-in' for going back to pre-3.8 exactly as it was before, where's that?

    There are plugins that will bring back the 3.7.x admin experience. I don't have the links to those plugins but I'm sure you can locate them in the repo. I think one of them was named wp-admin classic and there are others.

    If it's the color scheme only then there plugins that can help you from above.

    More colors: http://wordpress.org/plugins/admin-color-schemes/

    Design your own: http://wordpress.org/plugins/admin-color-schemer/

    I guess if you remove their comments, it's not a problem.

    Some topics do seem to bring out inflammatory comments and those just don't help anyone. Sometimes those comments do get deleted.

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Forum_Welcome#Deleting_.2F_Editing_Posts

    to fix problems that you created for no apparent good reason?

    I get that you're unhappy but don't you think that's a little accusatory? Please keep in mind that I am not trying to wind you up.

    While it's not always possible to please everyone (many people including myself really enjoy the 3.8 admin GUI changes) please keep in mind that the development of WordPress does not take place in a vacuum.

    If you want to contribute to the development of WordPress then there are many ways to do that.

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Contributing_to_WordPress

    For now I think that one of those plugins may provide you with a fix to your problem.

  17. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I have already addressed the plugin fix. It's not a solution which you would have seen in previous responses in this thread. The overlay creates problems with other plugins as reported by a commenter here, and in the intro to the plugin where they list the problems it creates, ask for help resolving them, and to be notified of others. So it's only a visual overlay (maybe, at best)= I'm not a developer of plugins and don't seek to spend my time fixing a plugin that is required because of a seemingly frivolous design change and troubleshoot all the problems it will create. Furthermore I have found some of the functionality in my calendar plugin disabled since the update and this plugin won't address that. Given that there has been so much negative feedback (some deleted to make it seem less) and no good reason given for making the change, it certainly does seem like you operate in a vacuum.

  18. Furthermore I have found some of the functionality in my calendar plugin disabled since the update

    That may be something that can be addressed. Which calendar plugin is it?

  19. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    It's my calendar

    http://www.joedolson.com/articles/my-calendar/

    I even had trouble finding my calendar plugin - couldn't find the plugins on the dashboard, then had to scroll up and down, up and down, looking for it, whereas in the past they all (12) fit on one page. It all just seems so unnecessary

  20. Following that link it looks like it's this one.

    http://wordpress.org/plugins/my-calendar/

    I'll install it on my test WordPress installation and take a look at it tomorrow to see what issues I may have with the 3.8 admin GUI and that plugin.

    Do you have any other plugins active besides that one or is it just the admin part for that plugin that is causing you grief?

  21. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I tried to add a recurring event and could not, it wouldn't save it. I have to do it over and over for each month. I used to be able to 'add another occurrence' and do it all in one step. I don't know yet what if any other functionality has been disabled.

  22. mspa
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I just started working on my new site. Installed the "Hero" theme (ThemeTrust), then created my child theme. Decided to update both the theme and WP. Big mistake.

    While I wasn't in love with the previous version of WP, I miss it now. Prior to this update, I had a "Projects" tab in the admin panel. Now, I don't. The prior version of WP was perfect for this theme. I could select my project and on that page was an option to "show on the homepage". That is gone.

    There is no point in an update if the UI/UX requires users to invest time in figuring it out. We don't have time to relearn the cms, so it's better to not make changes unless the change makes building a website or blog more seemless and intuitive.

  23. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    @mspa, if you're looking to troubleshoot why you're missing that tab create a thread here: http://wordpress.org/support/forum/how-to-and-troubleshooting#postform

  24. Off topic for a minute:

    The user christinabarefoottrimmer has a tangible problem and that's really the point of this topic. This topic belongs to that user and when people join to toss commentary at the 3.8 admin GUI that really doesn't help.

    If you want to assist this topic then please do. I'm going to install that plugin and see if I can replicate the GUI issue on an installation with no other plugins activated and using the Twenty Fourteen theme.

    Hopefully I'll get a AHA! moment and then perhaps the problem can be posted to the plugin author's sub-forum for that plugin.

    But if you want to just add to the 3.8 admin GUI commentary then please don't. That sort of commentary doesn't do anything to solve this user's problem.

    Back on topic:

    I've just installed it and started poking at it.

    I tried to add a recurring event and could not, it wouldn't save it.

    Can you share the admin URL that is giving you a problem for recurring events? For example when I select Add New Even I hit this URL.

    http://my-test-url-here/wp-admin/admin.php?page=my-calendar

  25. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I think it's very telling and sad that you're discouraging people from adding their negative experiences with the new Admin panel. That is what this thread is about and 'my problem'. The calendar issue is a minor insignificant one that I discovered after starting the thread, you have latched on to in an attempt to fix something. I would prefer that the actual problem, the admin panel, was addressed.

    I don't get any error message. It just doesn't save it. When I create a single event, it then saves it. Not sure how to provide a URL to this.

  26. I think it's very telling and sad that you're discouraging people from adding their negative experiences with the new Admin panel.

    I'm trying to stay positive and solve a problem that I believed you had with that plugin when combined with the 3.8 admin GUI.

    A little reminder here: I and everyone who is attempting to help you is a volunteer doing this on their own time and out of the goodness of their heart for free.

    Honest.

    If you want to focus and encourage others to just complain about the 3.8 admin GUI then you do not need my help. To be fair you didn't ask for my participation and I'm sure I can find something else to do today.

    If you've got a problem as in something does not work in the 3.8 admin GUI then I am willing to try and replicate your problem and work with you to solve that specific issue.

    I don't get any error message. It just doesn't save it. When I create a single event, it then saves it. Not sure how to provide a URL to this.

    On my installation I went to My Calendar -> Add New Event and setup a test event and made it recurring.

    I didn't have any problems doing that or saving the event.

  27. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    You have to now 'force' it to be a multi-day event to make it work. It's not a multi-day event. You can no longer create separate occurrences of each event.

    Is there a way to change the typeface in the admin panel back to the original one? Is there also a way to make it dark and the background light , like it used to be?

  28. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I installed the 'WP-Admin Classic' plugin. It does not got back to the pre 3.8 look. All it does is chaange the background color to grey and the typeface to black. It doesn't go back to the original typeface and it does nothing about the gradients or the spaces in between blocks. The type still takes up more space and extends past the bottom requiring constant scrolling. And when you type something the type still does that irritating and distracting shadow-disappearing thing.

    I wonder if people even checked out the plugins before copy/pasting the url to them into their messages.

  29. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    As far as the calendar problem - I created my event as a single event with multiple dates/times rather than the correct single event for each occurrence (because that is the only way that it works now) and on my front page calendar widget it shows the events as one long ongoing event from January 18 - April 19, which of course it is not. It's one day in each of Jan, Feb, Mar, April. But it won't let me create it as separate events unless I do a new, manual entry for each one.

  30. christinabarefoottrimmer
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    When I remove the WP Admin classic plugin and go back, the Widgets are all displayed in two long vertical columns that I have to scroll down to see all of them, instead of having them go all across the page and be able to see them all at once. It is impossible to see them all which is necessary to do in order to find and choose which one I might want to add, or delete. This makes it really, really, really, hard to work with widgets.

    Plus it is really difficult to impossible to grab a widget from the bottom and push it to the top to try and drag and drop it, because you can't scroll when you're holding down the mouse button.

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