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  1. JoshuaClinard
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I think it is time for an upgrade to these forums. I am tired of my requests to the admin going unanswered. One of my requests resulted in a security threat to my site. I am very concerned about the future of this site, and it appears that the admin do not care about supporting the product. Feature requests for this forum have been ignored. I am considering opening my own wordpress support forum, using either vB or phpBB. I would actually LISTEN to my members and implement the features they request, unlike the admins at this site. I would prefer not to have to open my own board, but to prevent me from doing so, the admins will have to start listening to us. I think it would be best to move to phpBB or vB here. We have over 1400 members! And that does not include the guest posts. I think everyone would find the forum much more useful if it had more features. I see a lot of people discussing wp on cafelog's forum for that simple reason. We need a single place where we can all get help.
    Things that we need in a forum:
    Ability to PM
    Ability to edit thread titles
    Also, guests posts should be disallowed. It is a security threat to have them enabled
    Better postbit
    Postbit appears on right side of post?

  2. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 10 years ago #

    If this is aimed at some sort of vote, I'm disagreeing.
    I have taken many issues to private email when assisting others, I cannot see why editing a thread title is in order.
    Guest posts ? I assume you mean the anon posts ? Yes, I find some of them annoying, but my guess is that it's one or two people deliberately stirring things up. A registered poster can do precisely the same repeatedly - seen it happen.
    I've not a clue what a postbit is :)
    In some ways I can agree with your sentiment, but having used both the above boards - both as user and administrator, they are unwieldy beasts compared to the speed of miniBB. I hate having to trawl through the sloth that phpBB has been, and is, in my experience.
    I don't see many requests disappearing into a void, and in fact see posts being bumped to that attention is re-grabbed. Before you say that bumping should not happen, I have yet to see this happen with a routine request for help. It has usually been for something quite technical and which needs the attention of one of the few people with the right knowledge.
    Maybe the #irc channel should be more widely pushed ? I have used that myself when after an answer, and it's great to be able to have that help.
    Just my 2p.

  3. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I don't disagree that this forum could have a lot of better features. What I do disagree with is a blanket declaration of "the admins don't care" because that's simply not true.
    Get your facts together before you do the Chicken Little Sky Is Falling Routine.
    Then we can discuss the whole issue as adults.

  4. JoshuaClinard
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    When I said that the admins don't care, I was referring to a specific thing. That thing being asked multiple times by many people to add features to the board, and them stating that they just "don't want to". In my opinion, that's not acceptable answer, considering they are developing open source software. If it was closed source, then that would be a different story. I know it's free software, and I am greatful for that. WordPress is the best software out there for it's purposes. I just wish we had the best community to go with that. The fact is the almost dead b2 forums are more useful to me, and I would guess other's as well. I'll let this thread go on for a few more days. If the admins do not at least listen to us, and try to implement a few of our suggestions, then I will go ahead and setup an alternate forum if people are interested. If you are interested in helping, or just want to offer words of encouragement, feel free to e-mail me or AIM me at JoshuaCBC.
    Thanks.

  5. TechGnome
    Moderator
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I know I may be out of line on this, but I'm going to say it anyways.
    Joshua - go sit on it. The way I see it, we have choice. We can allow the admins, who also happen to be the WP developers continue work on WP, or should they drop everything to cater to the whims of the users? It seems to me that this debate crops up every couple of months. Every time it goes away. MiniBB is different, that doesn't make it any worse, just different. There were reasons for chosing it. Personally I like it. It "forces" me to checkup on it. It "forces" everyone to check in on it. Makes it better as faras I am concerned. Using just the front page with the recent posts, it doesn't take me long to see what's moved up. If there is a thread I'm interested in, I'll know how to find it. Also, with this, I find more threads to read than just the ones where I'm getting help. I've learned a lot about the people here and WP in general from that. I don't get that anywhere else.
    As for the admins not changing something because they "don't want to" - kudos to them and it is a perfectly valid answer. I run a forum of my own. If I made all the changes that people requested, I'd never get anything else done. No one is forcing you to remain here. If you want changes to miniBB, why not go bug the miniBB developers? They are the ones who built it....
    TG

  6. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    keyword: Free
    Build your own if your are not happy. Or Pay up, you make your clients pay don't you?

  7. TechGnome
    Moderator
    Posted 10 years ago #

    sushubh - since we all know your opinion doesn't cound for anything, we'll go ahead and cut out the middle man and dismiss it right away. ;P
    TG

  8. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    @Chris,
    "No one cares"? Do you? Yes. Then you've already made a statement with no basis in fact. I care. Even our resident Opera hack cares. The bottom line, however, is that we all can't have everything we want to have. We just have to make the best of what we have and work with it. All of this stuff will evolve over time. It just requires some patience. In this world of instant gratification, it's easy to get caught up in the "I want" routine.
    I want a good tool in WP. If the worst thing I can say about WP is that the miniBB on the support forum sucks, well then WP is pretty damn good. Also, a previous poster wants email notifications, but doesn't want to use RSS. Okay...sure...that makes no sense at all, because RSS is so simple to use and requires no sign-up and therefore the WP forum admin(s) don't have to worry about a damn database of users they have to babysit.
    Use the RSS dude. It's the future staring you in the face. Email is the worst thing on the Internet right now, because of what people have done with it. With RSS, you get want you want, when you want. Simple. Open your mind to the possibilities!
    @sushubh,
    Dude, shut up with that Opera stuff. We know that you get 25 cents every time you mention it... :D LMAO!
    Craig.

  9. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    @craig: I wish. If I were, I would be competing with Gates!
    about RSS...
    I suggested this in the IRC sometime back. And Michel_V agreed...
    RSS would make more sense if a custom syndication can be provided to the user that shows the latest replies IN THE THREADS he has participated. For example a custom RSS syndication that gives the last 20 messages in the threads I have posted/started. I would like that rather than the last 20 posts in the whole forum.

  10. LoganSix
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Besides the non e-mail notifications, the biggest problem I have with this board is the text formatting. On phpBB (which is free), when you do a code tag, it actually formats the text into a nice format that you can easily read. Now this might be one small issue, but it is a big issue when you consider that people ask about problems with code.
    My solution, I make people go to my forum (which is phpBB based) to see my answers. Not a good solution, but at least they don't have a problem reading it.
    I have another pet peeve, which is the new scrolling iFrames, but it only seems to be annoyance at home and not at work.

  11. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    matt was talking abt a code parsing script that does what u want.
    maybe he will incorporate it in this forum too.
    u are talking abt the color formatting i believe... shoudl not be tough. its already incorporated in the wiki afaik...

  12. WillM
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    This thread is completely pointless. Anyone who spends more than five minutes here knows that the board software is never going to be changed. Is there even a functioning import script that will convert MiniBB to another forum tool? Are you seriously suggesting that we junk all the valuable info, hacks, etc. we have on here? Yes this board has serious limitations but its just too late to change it now. I am all for having an alternate forum where we could have a prominent link to the Wiki, send PMs, disable anon posting and post code more easily, but you cannot dictate to Matt what software he uses for his domain.

  13. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    but be certain, if matt decides to switch, he will make his own convertor.
    so thats not the issue!

  14. JoshuaClinard
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I'm of the opiniont that the information already here is so hard to find, that losing it won't be all that much of a loss, and the new forum, if there is one, would soon bypass the usefulness of this one, simply because it would be so much easier to find. Simply put, Mini-BB sucks. I have yet to see a good review of it from an outside source.

  15. WillM
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    What would you prefer - that the devs spend time making an importer for, then installing and configuring the new tool, or that they concentrate on getting 1.2 out? If you have the time and resources to create and administer a new forum, go ahead and do it. Much more constructive than sitting around complaining about stuff you can't change.

  16. TechGnome
    Moderator
    Posted 10 years ago #

    As minimalistic as miniBB is, it's far from being the worse. At least on miniBB you can edit posts, see previous posts when replying, and get a decent search out of it. I've been on forums that have none of that. It's scary.
    If you feel that you need to open up a new forum to get the attention you think you need, then by all means, for all I care, go right ahead.
    FYI: There are other blog related (where there are WP users) forums out there:
    http://www.bloggerforum.com/ - in fact this is how I found out about WP.
    http://forum4bloggers.com/
    TG

  17. anatman
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I was looking for a BB to run on my (very small traffic) site, and i came across this thread which made me look at miniBB. To those wondering why, oh why the developers chose it for this forum, one suggestion:
    Download miniBB (90k), then reade the manual's "introduction" section. If you substitute "miniBB" for "WP", the text makes all the sense.
    Not that i wouldn't like PMs here, nevertheless...

  18. WillM
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    The problem here is that the community has grown beyond what the devs originally wanted and planned for - they wanted something 'mini' but its fast becoming 'maxi'. Best way to deal with this would be to make sure 1.2 is full of bugs to put off any more new users, or for us all to stop posting. ;)

  19. charpress
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Go ahead and start a board. What the heck, that's what I did when I found Blogger support to not exist. That was my opinion of Blogger, and certainly doesn't apply here. Nonetheless, I started http://www.bloggerforum.com to fit a niche that I saw needed to be filled. If you think that's the case, then go for it.

  20. mage111
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    i would have to agree an upgrade in forums would be a nice change. for the specific reason i find with opera, this board to be buggy, posts dont go through, i multi post cus they dont show up, its odd, i dont have these problems on other boards, other sites, or in other browsers, but thats my reason for change i dont know if you all experiance the same.
    but it looks as if they are set in their ways about this board and i dont really see it changing any time soon. gl though, keep us posted if you start a new one ;-)

  21. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    weird. i use opera all the time. on this forum too. never had a problem.
    maybe u got a real good cache... remember your keyboard has a key F5! :O)

  22. JoshuaClinard
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I have started an "unofficial " WordPress support forum that uses the excellent vBulletin software, and I will actually listen to my users and try to implement any of their suggestions. The URL is below. Please come and visit. This URL is only temporary. If the forum gets very active, I will buy a domain name for the forum.
    http://69.73.168.109/wordpressforums/

  23. Alex King
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I thought punBB looked pretty cool as a lightweight but more feature-full solution.
    http://www.punbb.org/

  24. Alex King
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    The markup will probably need some tweaking to get your blessing, but it seemed quite fast.

  25. Ryan Boren
    WordPress Dev
    Posted 10 years ago #

    PunBB does look interesting. This to-do list for the upcoming PunBB 1.2 release notes that markup is now valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional. Valid XHTML and CSS coupled with a carefully selected feature set suggests a good fit with WordPress, at least philosophically if nothing else.

  26. rayne
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I agree with some of what has been said. I am glad the "admins" are spending more time on the actual product itself. I look forward to the many useful changes they make to WP. But having a good support system is key to maintaining a successful product, whether it be free or not. These forums are good, but could be better for the hapless soul in search of assistance.
    A few features that would make the forums just a little better are email notifications and thread subscriptions. It would make it easier for us all to keep track of the main issues we are concerned with. I am one who browses all the posts, but if I get busy and miss a day, then I end up with a mound of posts to weed through to find where mine was to see if someone has replied.
    We don't need a ton of features, but the few I mentioned would certainly be extremely helpful to the WP community. Having a good support system, will in time bring more WP users, because they know they have a sound place to come in search of help. Newbies and the less computer savy folk will get discouraged if they feel they can't find the help they need when they come to the forums.
    But other than that, I am happy to be a WP convert and I will keep visiting the forums. Every time I come in to browse I find something else that is useful to me. I just wish it was easier to keep track of my posts.

  27. carthik
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    You can subscribe to threads using a feedreader, since all the threads have a unique RSS feed. If you are looking for something that can be integrated with your own WP blog, may I suggest my subscriptions hack. It does not use email, but once it is setup and running, checking if you have a reply is easy.

  28. Ozh
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    There's one thing very annoying with this forum : "#thread li {height: 100%;}" in forum.css makes it barely readable in MSIE5 which I'm condamned to use at work :) (it display a post every 2 or 3 meters, and reading a thread gets very scroll-down intensive :)
    I admit also I find the editing features a bit limited and posts with code lines are often difficult to read. But besides this, I'm much more pleased by the software and its community I discovered a few weeks ago, than willing to see things changing. Thanks again developpers & helpers for this (and be prepared for my upcoming site I'm moving onto WP ! :)

  29. FlashBang
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Just wondering if there were any developments on the punBB issue, and whether we were going to get a new forum software..
    On that note, I think the biggest thing I miss about miniBB is the ability to see
    1) Who created the Thread
    2) What time was the last post made..

  30. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    who created the thread is the first person who posted.
    and i can see the time u posted the last post on this thread...

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