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1. mr44toes
   Blocked
   Posted 8 months ago #
   

   I've now spent enough time with this system to have a sense for what's up and otherwise. There's some great stuff here, no doubt about it. But there's also an overriding flavor that taints the whole pot.

   One of the biggest deficiencies I see is your (apparent) complete inability to handle image mapping. I know--I'm just NOT COOOL because COOOOOOL people don't even WANT to freakin' image-map--right?

   Well, geniuses, there are still a LOT OF THINGS--A LOT OF THINGS--A LOT OF THINGS--that can be done with image mapping that YOU CAN'T DO--YOU CAN'T- DO--YOU CAN'T DO! So please get your heads out of your you-know-whats and take a whiff of something else for a change.

   Very specifically, I would LOVE to be able to image-map the whole header area. Yeah--that would open up a MOUNTAIN of possibilities that JUST DON'T EXIST otherwise. The creative options would be INFINITE (as opposed to tightly constricted and largely anal). Same for the sidebars, although if you use fourteen different plug-ins you can sort of get some flexibility there.

   I know, I don't have the attitude you all like the best, but the fact is that this is good input--for intelligent people.

2. Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
   Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod
   Posted 8 months ago #
   

   *head tilt*

   You can make an image-map in your header if you want to. It's just a theme tweak someone would have to do.

   Your creative options are infinite but they're limited by your skill. You do have to know how to make an image map to make an image map ;)

3. ClaytonJames
   Member
   Posted 8 months ago #
   

   I agree with Ipstenu. Image maps are a pretty basic thing. They can be a lot of fun to experiment with, too. Shouldn't be too difficult to drop one into your theme somewhere.

   If you're looking for some introductory-type tutorials, there's a lot of good entry-level resources out there for someone who's just starting out.

4. mr44toes
   Blocked
   Posted 8 months ago #
   

   Apparently normal logic doesn't penetrate so I'll try redefining the problem.

   When I talk about making the whole header area into an image map, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Give me a blank space with nothing in it where I can insert an image, cut it into pieces, and activate, remove, or substitute any of them in any way I want. I wouldn't be confined to using this header/theme or another one, I could actually DESIGN THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' THING. I would think somebody else would have wanted this capability long before now.

   (For the edification of all the wise souls out there who imagine that I'm a moron, it really isn't so. I've actually done few hundred high-quality image maps and used them in a half-dozen fully-functional sites. I could probably show YOU a few things.)

5. esmi
   Theme Diva & Forum Moderator
   Posted 8 months ago #
   

   This:

   When I talk about making the whole header area into an image map, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

   and this:

   I wouldn't be confined to using this header/theme or another one

   don't add up for me.

   Are you talking about:

   a) turning a header image into an image map?

   or

   b) turning a whole page into an image map?

   Both are possible via a theme's template files. They just need slightly different approaches.

6. ClaytonJames
   Member
   Posted 8 months ago #
   

   @mr44toes

   I'm already wondering why don't you simply stop acting like such a condescending git, and start acting as if you were speaking to individuals who very possibly, quite probably, and in all likely-hood, know at least as much, and possibly more than yourself.

   If you want some help with something, quit whining and ask for it.

7. mr44toes
   Blocked
   Posted 8 months ago #
   

   I've gotten one useful reply to my original post so far--from "esmi"--and that only because it asked logical questions that were actually related to the original message.

   I've also gotten several punk responses and I've expressed my sincere appreciation to those individuals directly and--yes--quite sincerely.

   For what it's worth, my tone at the outset was based entirely on what I've found in the WordPress environment itself. Specifically, do a search for "image map" in the plug-ins section and see what you get back. There's a whole fat ONE plug-in that deals with image maps at all, and that one starts with a song and dance about how lame image maps are and how it's all so beneath this guy's dignity that he's even writing this stinking plug-in. (Never mind the fact that his documentation is unintelligible to normal humans--a COMMON problem here.) Figuring that was the prevailing view here, that's what I responded to and how I framed my suggestion for a new plug-in. I don't use image mapping exclusively as a design tool, but it's damned handy for some things, and so far I haven't found a single theme that provides the kind of flexibility in the header that I want.

   And to those who are so sure that they know it all--like I said in at least one of my direct e-mail replies: If you know something, F***IN' PROVE IT AND PUT UP SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE. If you don't, go contemplate your navel or your something/whatever and stay out of the damned way.

8. Jan Dembowski
   Volunteer Mod. & Brute Squad
   Posted 8 months ago #
   

   For what it's worth, my tone at the outset was based entirely on what I've found in the WordPress environment itself.

   No, it really wasn't.

   From the very first post you've been, frankly, unpleasant. While ClaytonJames can be curt, he really isn't far off the mark.

   If you want to get assistance, then try watching the attitude.

9. Andrea Rennick
   Customer Care at Copyblogger Media and Studiopress
   Posted 8 months ago #
   

   I don't see a question in your post - I see a list of complaints.

   If you do have a specific question, then rephrase and *ask*. Multiple people have said an image map in the header is more than possible.

   If you need further instructions - ask.

10. Marventus
    Member
    Posted 8 months ago #
    

    @mr44toes:
    You seem to praise logic a lot, yet your post is anything but logical, and trust me, Aristotle would agree.
    For starters, the title of your topic is not consistent with its contents, unless the use of the plural form and the adverb "lots" have been recently redefined. Your topic is about one thing, and one thing only: image maps.

    Secondly, if you are so good at making them, and I quote:
    

    I've actually done few hundred high-quality image maps and used them in a half-dozen fully-functional sites

    what do you need a plugin or a core functionality for? There are a lot of resources out there, both online and offline, for creating image maps hassle-free. However, if you are thinking that this could be implemented as another feature for common earthly mortals, well, by all means, please do. WordPress is Open Source, which basically means users can contribute and help developing and improving it. Make a plugin (repository), or a theme, or a diff (Trac) and submit it to the community. Don't just sit there and rant over what's missing.

    Thirdly, AFAIK, there is nothing you can do with an image map (i.e., using the img usemap attribute and the <area> tag) that you can't do with a little coding creativity, using different bgd images or absolutely positioned transparent elements on top of images.

    Last but not least, breaking Aristotle's ternary structure (and less related to the logic topic, although...), do you ever walk into a bar and tell the waiter/waitress: "hey ho, bring me a beer!", or show up to a job interview and tell your potential employer: "Bro, your company sucks, but good thing you called me, right?" Of course you don't, so you shouldn't do it here either. If you want people to help you or to give you useful feedback, try behaving a little more like a gentleman and less like a whining two-year old and, who knows?, you might get lucky. This is a basic rule of social interaction, not just this forum, so please abide by it.

11. Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
    Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod
    Posted 8 months ago #
    

    Well that escalated quickly.

    I'm closing this thread not becuase I don't think the subject matter needs discussing, but we got derailed and it's hard to come back. I DO encourage y'all to make a new post, however I want to clarify something.

    An image map is a very specific web thing. So what mr44toes is diescribing is not a classic image map, and is leading to a lot of confusion. Please note: web terms exist for a reason ;) we have to know what we're talking about, so this is NOT an image map:

    I think you're reading too much into this suggestion. I'm talking about an area with NOTHING in it--just a blank spot that can be filled with a single image, or with a table that takes that image, chops it into pieces, and reconstructs it in the same space. (That's what image mapping means to me--don't know about anybody else here.)

    Or rather part of it is. mr44toes, you want a header that can either be a static image or an imagemap, and while you can certainly hire someone to make that for you, it's not built into WP becuase image maps are crazy complex (actually most people I know don't make separate images, they use the map tag - http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_map.asp

    What you want is totally possible, I stress this, but it's not 'missing' in WP, becuase ... It's not. It's just how you want to make your theme, which you can do in WP, and make an interface if you wanted. I'm sure someone has considers it at least once. WP has the ability, though, which is our point.

    Finally ... I don't know where you ran into people that made you think your attitude and verbiage was the norm, but it shouldn't have been here. I it was, I appologize. We try to be clear speaking, mature folk around these parts :)

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