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Lack of Love 1.0c for Kubrick/WP (53 posts)

  1. dss
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    The fourth, and most likely last in a series of themes for Kubrick 1.2.5 and WP 1.2 "mingus."
    read more and download the files here
    enjoy!
    f.

  2. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Congratulations. These look like some of the most beautiful designs or themes that have ever been made available pro bono to the WP community and thank you. I am interested in how the terminology is developing and being used. If Kubrick is a design and some one alters it completely then what is left from Kubrick? Once the design is changed how is Kubrick different ? . Is it just a bunch of hacks of the WP install? Does it need different files? And if - as is apparently the case it can now be themed - how is that different from theming of 1.3. Do I have to switch from the proven php architecture of WP to something else? If so what are we getting ? . And is a Kubrick WP install compatible with everything else WP like plugins. ? So is MH the Kubrick designer a *designer*
    or is this really a forked WP install? And what has that got to do with the main stream WP community? Could we fit one of the very nice styles being offered by dss without altering our underlying WP install? If not why not? These are IMHO questions of some significance to the WP user base.

  3. dss
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Here's the way i see it:
    As of Kubrick 1.2.5 it's now just a drop in template. There are rewriting and permalinks, and various other code added to the index, comments and a special search page, but otherwise it's really pure WP 1.2. No more .htaccess or nothin'
    I don't see including your index.php mods with a style (often done around here) as a forking or even a hacking of WP. It's all WP.
    So what i have done is taken the original Kubrick, very plain and a blank canvas for those who want to design their own pages, and essentially "themed" it.
    My work is purely CSS and Photoshop. the rest is all Kubrick and WordPress. Thus, i consider these designs for WordPress, and Kubrick.
    I suppose i could rewrite them to be pure css/images, and not require any modifications to the index.php and people could just drop them into the images folder and redirect the css file.
    But i really feel that wouldn't be giving the credit where it's truly due:
    To Michael.
    He's done a powerful thing with Kubrick, and it's as important to me that he receive the source credit here, as if it were my own design from scratch.
    Also, without some of the simplified Kubrick elements they would be useful, but not nearly as much fun.
    As for 1.3 i have no idea. I'm currently operating somethign like 11 installs of WP with plans for a few more. But i haven't gotten to 1.3 yet. I was kinda waiting for it to be released.
    f.

  4. dss
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Ahhh plugins... i missed that part. sorry.
    So far, i have installed plugins at will, and had no trouble or conflict with any of them.
    the one's i can think of:
    UBBCode
    Auto-hyperlink URLs
    Adhesive
    Latest Activity
    Recent Posts
    Recently Commented Posts
    nicer archives
    weather report
    weather
    category icons
    Acronym Replacer
    Breadcrumb Navigation
    Dumb Comments Link
    Search Hilight
    Image Browser
    IPAP
    Content with show/hide javascript for "more"
    Dunstan's Time Since
    Dunstan's Time of Day
    Brian's Latest Comments
    Brian's Nested Comments
    Comment Count
    WP Style Switcher
    there's some more, but that's all i can think of right now...
    not a single problem.
    It's WP, and i've modified the kubrick theme. that's all.

  5. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Yes but apart from the visual aspects the *theme* which you have now developed and altered beyond recognition what is different. ? That is what many of us are confused about.

  6. dss
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Different from Kubrick?
    only the images and the css
    I guess i figured stating that these are themes for Kubrick and WordPress, plus Kubrick's author's blessing kinda said it all.
    Am i missing something here?
    f.

  7. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Well what I want to know is if Kubrick is not a design or theme because it can obviously be changed as you have shown - then what is it ?

  8. NuclearMoose
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Root,
    THE HORSE IS DEAD.

  9. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Well no its not. The interface for WP 1.3 is changing actively as we speak. There is the stub for themes already installed. The 1.3 index calls sub files which contain in some cases either opening or closing divs but not both. At the same time some devs are putting parts of Kubrick ad hoc into 1.3. What I and a lot of users with an investment in templates, themes and style sheets would like to know is what the road map is. In the meantime if it becomes apparent that the Kubrick *vision* is not a design at all but is in fact a hacked version of WP a lot of people are going to be interested. In particular those of us who have not got it fitted want to know what it does. To try and suppress legitimate discussion, or worse to first characterise it as personalised before closing it down simply does not serve the best interests of a lot of users. IMHO. But then a lot of folks give every appearance of not understanding what the issues really are. But 1.3 is not dead. Far from it. And nor is its development. So NM what is your contribution going to be ?

  10. charle97
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

  11. dss
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    oh...
    i see this is a swamp.
    ok.
    whatever, and here i was pouring my heart out.
    (feels foolish, packs up pencils, departs...)
    f.

  12. holographic
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    well said dss :)

  13. mog
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Just a quick playing with themes in 1.3 and adding Lack of Love to a test blog http://blog.mindofmog.net/ just used the Kubrick 1.3 import, changed the graphics and css.

  14. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Would you mind pointing readers at the install instructions for a WP theme please ? And for Kubrick ?

  15. mog
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2004/09/19/kubrick-for-other-systems/#more-1249 has the Kubrick for 1.3 and follow the instructions which is to put it into wp-content/themes/kubrick/ and activate from admin under Presentation. For the Lack of Love, I substituted the images and graphics cause if you look at the header, graphics have the same name. Now if one were to create a non Kubrick inspired theme, there would be a bit more work. I have not done any extensive testing but I am sure that if I after being awake some 24 hours and a bit tired can install a theme, you can do it too. It's really easy to upload the folder to the proper directory.

  16. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Am I right in saying that you first need to fit the theme manager plugin or no . Tx for your help. I just want to see what all the fuss is about :)

  17. dss
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    (peeks back into the room, and decides to sit cautiously by the door)
    I am going to take another go at these themes for Kubrick, and try to see if i can't add them as straight up 1.3 Themes.
    Mog, there are a few details missing, but it looks ok. I am surprised actually. How much work did that take?
    I'll get on this on monday afternoon and see what i can do.
    Perhaps applying these as straight up 1.3 Themes (with a huge thank you to Michael) will solve any semantics and/or swampiness.
    you never know...

  18. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    dss if you know what the protocol is for a new theme could you share that with us or at least point us to it please?

  19. dss
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    For now, there's no need for a template engine with my themes, just back up your index.php, wp-comments.php, and wp-layout.css and then overwite the files. If you don't have a folder called "images" then you need to create one, and give it read and write permissions.
    I'll document and write up everything i discover about porting these to 1.3 as soon as i'm done, and then maybe we can talk more about what it all means.
    for now, i would say the protocol is:
    IF you are modifying someone else's theme for distribution:
    1. ask permission
    2. take no for an answer
    3. credit the designer/code author.
    I'll know more when i'm done installing 1.3 and working on the template engine first hand.
    Ã? Lundi
    f.

  20. mog
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Well, I did the famous 5 minute install. There is no Theme Manager plugin, it came with the 9/21 nightly. And, it's simply a matter of customizing the files you want... index.php,single.php. All the current, as of 9/22 choices, are in the wp-blog-header.php in the template redirect section. Once you see how it is done and how the files are called, it all makes perfect sense. Then you can choose what ones you want in your site and have at it.

  21. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Thanks mog.
    @ dss. Any one who knows my output will know there is going to be no question of copying or even following any body elses ideas. By protocol I meant what does the theme need to be like so it can be dropped into the 1.3 switcher.
    That is the mystery to all but the privileged few. :)

  22. dss
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    heh..
    clearly a mystery to me too...

  23. mog
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Anything you want, be it an index.php with a stylesheet and images, or the new index with associated header, footer, and sidebar. You can add a single.php template if you want a different sidebar or no sidebar for individual posts like MT does. You can make it as simple or complex as you want. Even add a custom 404 page. I suggest installing 1.3 in a test blog and play around with it so you get the theme like you want before using it on your blog.
    Only options lacking is links.php and stats.php. Now those would be awesome especially since the wp-stats plugin gets the links all wrong.

  24. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    So when the switcher is adding your theme to its list what does it need to see? An index file? A bit of code? What ? I do not want to a lot of playing around. I just want someone to tell me how to port a theme to 1.3. That is all.

  25. mog
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    The bare minimum, guessing a stylesheet. If you have index.php in the template file, wp- blog-header will grab that instead of the default, ditto the other listed files in wp-blog-header. Helps to read the php files too if you are clueless.

  26. mog
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    dss, I should mention that I used the adaptation of Kubrick for 1.3 that was not done by Michael so there might not be a straight up conversion. The ports aren't identical so any adaptation of yours to that port would not be identical. I am still playing around looking at all the php files in the port and in the latest build to see how it all fits together. I haven't even tackled looking at Michael's original. or porting my skins or trying something completely different myself.

  27. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Ah. That sounds like it. Even I can understand that. Thank you very much for that indeed. We are on the road now. The switch is made in wp-header and trickles down from there to an index if involved and thence the CSS. This sounds very cool. Thanks for your patience. :) I am happy now.

  28. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Root, I knew once you saw what was going on you would be happy.

  29. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Well I am now I understand it. Even I am happy. Over the moon. This is going to be a lot of fun from here on in :)

  30. dss
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    a happy root is a functional website!
    very fine

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