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Just a note for those asking "simple" questions... (33 posts)

  1. curly
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    No I am not a moderator, nor have I posted "a lot"...
    But I just want to say how amazing the Codex is and that so many of the questions asked could be omitted if one digs in the Codex first...
    I am building my first theme now and therefor have a lot of questions. But reading the very elaborate articles and examples in the codex teaches me all the basics I need to know. Only when I am really stuck I will post here. Not that I want to be the "good example", but it looks like a lot of people here consider this a helpdesk free of charge... 1 call and I have a quick answer. One might think that because of that this forum become spammed with alike questions, which at the same time are answered in the codex...

    I just wanted to redirect some attention to the Codex... it is really good.

    Chrz.

  2. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Yeah, if you removed the simple questions and the people saying "Search first" there wouldn't be much traffic on here at all. :)

  3. Murry
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Hi Curly,
    Im not the right person to respond here and Im a newbie as well - I also dont want to P*** people off at my thoughts so I dont get my questions answered here :)
    BUT - I am Very new to WP - But Ive been building sites for a bit and know my HTML (sorta) but and very grey on PHP - like most "users" really - I manage simple stuff. We are not all "developer/designers"
    We are mostly looking for a plug and go system - the confusion comes with the themes. WP - is pretty plug and go - Ive built a complete and growing site in about 10days, very part time with VERY few hassles - shameless promotion to WP.
    The CODEX is also a HUGE help to me. But you correctly used the term "DIG" .
    What I find is that the information is often somewhere between the Postings in this forum and the CODEX but sometimes the cross referencing of info - or the way a post is "taged" is not the way I would pose the question.
    Hence - to find what you want is sometimes not easy.
    What Im saying is - theres a huge knowledge base - but sometimes not arranged the way I would seek within. Sorry its just not intuitive (for me)
    I also think that folks (me included) look for a quick fire answer .
    Forinstance, I once spent 2 and a half days trolling the codex and posting here to find out a painfully obvious bit of info about forms in WP that was totally unnecessary - - when someone finally pointed out the solution -- that wasted time sent me into a blue fit - truely :)

    Sorry - I also waffle a lot :)
    In summary -
    -yes there are a lot of repeat questions that are asked that shouldnt be.
    -Some of those questions can probaly be accessed easier by a REAALY good install and working model FAQ
    - many problems come from poorly explained or misunderstood Themes
    -I should help WP by assisting in the forum & CODEX (as should others)
    - the expandable nature of WP in itself creates many questions
    -WP is a great system with lots of possibilities.
    - this list is endless :)

    My tarnished and devaluing 2 cents worth.
    Keep well.

  4. curly
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    wow... long post! ;)
    And a very well-explained answer! I understand you. And you indeed picked up the term "dig" nicely. I spend quite some time there.

    But good to read your point of view.

    I know by own experience that searching the codex and the forums can be really time-consuming, and because of not really knowing what to look for, a personal answer can put you on the right track. (believe me, losing the personal touch of this forum is the LAST I would want...)
    Another thing which does not help at this moment (I really hope this is only a matter of time) is that the search function in this support forum does not give answers straight away anymore and one might easily take the short route by just dropping a question.

    I started this topic only to give the starters an extra incentive to use the codex and maybe just to say: "Your question might have been asked before, so the question is most probably out there too!"

    And do not forget: Each post is a contribution to WordPress! (even when it's a double... ;) )

  5. Murry
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Cool, Basically I agree with your thoughts:)
    Yup the search seems sticky atm. Also my obtuse brain poses questions differently. What I do see is many seem to ask customising or tweeking questions of themes thatare probably not he right ones for that user :)
    There are also many on the quirks of different systems and so installs - that are always a pain and there are so many system types. Then the sheer dynamic nature of WP mans so many "non-core WP" questions arise.
    It would be helpful to have a REALY well doc'd core -(I think its OK tho).
    Even if Kub is a bit of a twister to non-hackers to tweek.
    Some questions may be also better asked in a different forum category - like the developer guys may be better off in a real tech area so the install q's are REALY obvious and a good FAQ is developed from that forum.
    But thats a hassle tho cos then people dont learn or see what can be done -- ah well, so many beers, so little time :)
    One day I hope to be more useful to the forum.
    Cheers

  6. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Can I add that sometimes when people post here, they receive a huge amount of continual help on many topics to do with their blog.
    Yet on their blog, they either fail to credit the forums or the people who helped them. I have seen on more than one occasion things like "I fixed the problems".
    Hardly fair given the effort others gave freely is it ?

    Say Thank You.
    It doesn't hurt.

    (And the post title has some sort of inverse relationship to the actual problem. "Easy" generally means very much the opposite :) )

  7. Murry
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    hehe - Podz - nail on Head as usual and I am one of those that must and will go give credit :) V good point.
    By the way - After almost throwing the laptop and WP of the 4th floor balcony (read above) I am about to build another new site using my own template I have but using WP as the core from what Ive learnt (so stand by for Q's). So - Thanks to the WP community and guys like you I have a new tool to play with. Even if I am reluctantly dragged down the css route :) .
    Keep well

  8. skippy
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    We're currently in the midst of Codex Cleanup Week, in which we try to nail down as many loose ends in Codex articles as possible. We are completely open to suggestions from "regular users" as to how we can best organize the wealth of information in the Codex.

    The WordPress Documentation Team has recently rolled out a new front-page for the Codex, which should help people more quickly drill-down into the areas they require.

    If you have specific suggestions for improvement, please share them. Either email a member of the WordPress Documentation Team, post a note on their User Page on the wiki (here's mine), or sign up for a Codex Task to contribute directly.

    "Regular users" are very much encouraged to participate: those of us who are deeply familiar with the WordPress internals often forget what it's like to approach the system with fresh eyes. Your experiences, insights, and frustrations can help us help others. Please participate.

  9. curly
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    @ Skippy: Good reply. I sometimes forget that that is also a way of contributing to this wonderful society. I will start participating soon.
    Positive feedback is what we/you need, and being critical in that is only added value.

  10. Murry
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Skippy (hehe - shades of home - Aussie here - even if Im in France).
    Im happy to "try" to help when time permits.
    However my familiarity with WP is still on a vertical curve.
    You are correct tho that while its an immense job - kudos to all - a logical cross referencing is needed - (dunno how).
    Like, there is a brilliant page that details WP features that Lorelle gave a link to and the only way I can find it is refind her post - mostly cos Im a twit.
    having written a number of Docs & Procedure manuals for labs I know that Doc organisation is a nightmare. I will add my 2bobs worth if I can.
    My impression is the codex does a fair job of a giant task.
    But for newbies - my thoughts are that most are boggled by the bookmarks to cryptic tags when they realy dont know what they are looking for anyway - esp when you search.
    But I will rty to add thoughts :)
    Cheers

  11. Murry
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    ummm - ps Skippy - the link above didnt work :)
    I'll try again later

  12. skippy
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Codex is down : yes; we know. It should hopefully be restored before too much longer.

  13. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    "Like, there is a brilliant page that details WP features that Lorelle gave a link to and the only way I can find it is refind her post - mostly cos Im a twit."

    I have to agree with that one. It would be great to be able to bookmark posts and have them in our profiles, the same as threads we've started or replied to.

    And podz, you asked for it. You (and others) have now been thanked publicly on a right wing US Bush supporting Republican blog.

  14. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    tomhanna, you just made my day! (*goes off to work on theme, laughing hysterically*)

  15. jmdesigner81
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Absolutely agreed! I'm really new to wordpress. I read a few articles on the codex website and to be honest, i'm sight with the content, the structure, articles etc. I'd like to thank you guys for the constant support that you guys have given to new bloggers like me. I havent even posted anything here yet but i've been reading this forum for a couple of days and I noticed how efficient you guys are. Congratulations! I'm looking foward to exploring wordpress more and more.

  16. kickass
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Oh, can I add my two bucks here? (this is worth MUCH MORE than two cents . . . and Lorelle, don't laugh too damn hard, willya?)

    Here it is--

    Before you post your theme problem- VALIDATE YOUR CODE AND FIX THE ERRORS. Then if you still have a problem we'll be happy to help, and happy to point to the pages on the codex that'll fix things if you can't find them yourself.

  17. Lorelle
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    During the Codex Cleanup Week mentioned, volunteers unfamilar with WordPress or the Codex software, found things to do on the task list. One of those was categorizing the Codex.

    Almost 400 pages on the Codex now have a category link at the bottom of each page. They are tied to the general categories found on the front page of the Codex, and other critical categories.

    For example, if you are having issues installing WordPress, all documents associated with installation have their own category. Click on that link at the bottom of an article about installing WordPress and you will see an alphabetical list of all documents related to installation.

    While major categories have been created, we will soon begin adding subcategories, narrowing down the information and helping users to track down the information they need. All of this is volunteer driven, but as you can see, even the simplest of tasks can make the most difference.

    Thank you to everyone who helped do this, and we hope that the continuing effort of volunteers, skilled in WordPress or no, will continue to help improve this documentation resource.

  18. Lorelle
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Kickass, not laughing, just grinning. Proud that the message is coming through loud and clear. Thanks for carrying on the torch!

  19. pankoski
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    [soapbox on]

    I don't know about anyone else, but although the codex is the reference manual for all things, I have learned an amazing number of things in the context of reading other people's problems.

    I am certain, that it is a trying experience for some people to read what would otherwise be considered trite questions, and I am equally clear that the amazing flexibility of WordPress "framework" leads to completely different approaches to solving end-user problems - most of which are described here.

    Every day, I read through these posts and become more confident that, I too, can eventually make a contribution to WordPress. In my view, It is this dialog which really distinguishes WordPress from other environments. I'm amazed that the architecture continues to have a sufficient flexibility that the line of differentiation between "our" code and "your" code are sufficiently blurred to create a truly innovative environment.

    It reminds me very much of hacking LISP at the MIT AI Labs back in the late seventies. I know I was there. This is what make Open Source great - and its all happening right here in this forum !

    It is a testament to the dedication of the authors, the community and the incredible WordPress environment itself.

    [soapbox off]

  20. chelle-mom
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    k...I feel bad *blush* I have posted only 2x but they were very simple things. I tried to search around first, but I get so lost sometimes (I am a n00b). I ALWAYS post a thank u, but never thought to post it on my blog...I have added both Miklb & Davidchait's links on my miniblog now as a thank you....I will try to figure out more stuff on my own before posting....sorry everyone...

  21. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Tomhanna - where ?

  22. tomhanna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

  23. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Tom - I'm having problems on your site. Could you drop me an email so I can tell you what it is ? t2 @ tamba2 . org . uk

  24. meganano
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Hows about making it possible to search _just_ the codex. Sometimes I've read through the forums but need a more precise answer from the codex. Often my searches are cluttered with threads from the support forums that are inconclusive. I really do try to read the forums as opposed to asking the same question that 10 other people have already posted.

    Thanks.

  25. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 8 years ago #

    This is hopefully in the works.

  26. Michael Bishop

    Posted 8 years ago #

    And until that works, I'll add that there's a search extension JUST for the codex in FF. VERY HANDY!

  27. meganano
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    In "FF"... what does this mean? Can you clarify how to uh... just search the codex?

  28. Beel
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    FF - FireFox. Someone posted an extension for FF that will only search the codex. I saw it referenced in a thread yesterday. I'll see if I can't run across it again.

    meganano, if you are using IE, stop what you are doing and go get FF. It took me a long time to make the switch and now I just shake my head that I did not switch sooner.

  29. techwench
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    FF = Firefox

    Firefox has a search bar built into it. It defaults to search google, but you can add other search engines to its dropdown to search other sites directly from your browser...like the Codex.

  30. Beel
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Unfortunately, the WordPress Support one at the above link searches both the codex and support.

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