Posted 3 years ago #
The latest in my my 5-day long quest to get a simple blog running.
New user registers. New user is sent a password and a link to log in at.
New user clicks link and enters name and password. New user is then taken TO THE DASHBOARD!
This thing just gets worse. "Just follow the simple instructions and you'll have your blog up and running in 5 minutes"
5 years more like!
Anyone got an answer to this particular bug please.
Posted 3 years ago #
If you don't want your users to see the dashboard then why are you making them register. If it's to comment then you can forget it most people will not take the time to register just to leave a comment.
Posted 3 years ago #
Depends upon the quality of people and their motivation. Yes, I was hoping to get people to register before posting but I have assumed from your kind reply that WordPress isn't capable of doing that so I've removed the requirement.
Thanks for your interest.
Yes, I was hoping to get people to register before posting
Posting and commenting are two different things in WP. If you want your visitors to write/submit posts (as opposed to comments!) then:
a) why are you so surprized they are taken to the dashboard?
b) why don't you apply a plugin that helps to let them submit a post without logging in?
P.S. And if it is garbage why are you using it?
P.S. And if it is garbage why are you using it?
moshu you just aren't getting it!!!!! ;)
OP is writing inflammatory statements in hopes of drawing parties to the thread. Interesting strategy me thinks.
Posted 3 years ago #
You're right MichaelH and it does work, despite it being a somewhat childish strategy I must admit.
I am getting very frustrated with WP. I need a bit of web publishing software that just works. You know like Word or Excel. Of course you have to learn anything, but this isn't about learning to use it, this is about having to learn software development. I don't understand perls and htmls, css's and servers. I am just a business consultant with a need to have a web presence on a limited budget.
Sorry just venting. I'll have a look for a plug-in. Thanks for your help, AGAIN!
I don't understand perls and htmls, css's and servers. I am just a business consultant with a need to have a web presence on a limited budget.
Then you should have gone with a service that does it for you instead of trying to do it yourself.
If your car runs out of gas, do you go and complain to the car company that engines are too complicated for you to understand and you just want to be able to drive without having to do all this "maintenance" and modification to make the car work the way you want? Or do you just go to a gas station and fill the damn thing?
If you don't want to do the things that a webmaster does, then you should not be operating your own website in the first place. Instead, you should use a service like WordPress.com or Blogger, or half a dozen others. These let you write a blog without having to upgrade software, or use plugins, or anything else.
Posted 3 years ago #
Well, while I can see both points, to get back to the original question...
For contributors, authors, editors and admins, redirection to the dashboard I guess is OK (though personally I tend to prefer a redirection to the home page)
In terms of subscribers though, well, I do think login redirection to the dashboard is a bit silly. There's not really anything subscribers can do on the dashboard except for changing their passwords, and people rarely login just to do that...
Besides, subscribers subscribe - that is, they are there primarily to read (and maybe comment), not to manage things. After logging in, they would generally wish to be redirected to the page on which they clicked the login link. Even for contributors, authors and editors of a blog, it's more than a little clunky and annoying if they read someone elses article on the blog, have to log in to comment, only to find that they have to click the "visit website" link on the dashboard, find the article again, and scroll down to comment on it - it's just not user friendly.
The "subscriber" is a misnomer. They do not subscribe to anything. The only reason for somebody to "subscribe" is if the blog owner requires registering for comments, which is the worst idea since the invention of the blogs...
So, if you don't do that - you never have to worry about redirects. It's that simple.
Posted 3 years ago #
but if it's the worst invention since the creation of blogs, then why does wordpress have it? And surely if wordpress has a given functionality, then that functionality should be user friendly?
It's not just subscribers though - a multi user blog can (and they often do) function like a little community... the subscriber role would be the only way for an admin to restrict membership of that little community, but equally, some members of that community would have other, higher roles... but people in said community might still comment - it's what people in communities do.
Thousands, perhaps 10's or hundred's of thousands of people log into news sites to comment on stories every day... if the wordpress blog concerned is the sort of blog that contains serious posts worthy of visitors comments, then said wordpress blog is no different.
Posted 3 years ago #
Krissie, you have it exactly in my view.
Posted 3 years ago #
Otto, then the WP site should be clear that to install and operate WP is not for the novice.
"New to blogging? Learn more about WordPress, then follow the three easy steps below to start blogging in minutes. Ready to get started? Download WordPress 2.6.2"
I think your equivalent would be something like, "New to driving? Take delivery of a few wheels and a couple of piston rings and you'll be driving away in your new Mercedes within the hour".
In fact, you guys have many years experience and even then, some of the issues that come up here have you scratching your heads.
Don't misunderstand, I am very grateful that you are here taking the time to help. I just think there is a need for some honest marketing here. Or better still, a much more highly developed user interface.
Posted 3 years ago #
Nor tried it myself yet (I'm about to), but this plugin should help... at least a little... assuming you're using 2.6.2 or above.
Posted 3 years ago #
Thank you. I'll give it a try tomorrow morning
Otto, then the WP site should be clear that to install and operate WP is not for the novice.
Installing and operating WP is indeed for the novice. However, actually running a website is an entirely different proposition.
See, you're misunderstanding what constitutes a "novice". I do expect people who want to run a website to know how to run a website. Basics, like FTP, HTML, CSS, how webservers work (more or less), editing text files, enough intelligence to be capable of figuring out how to modify a simple script (in any language)... these are all required knowledge to run *any* website of any kind. Detailed information on how to do these sort of things is ubiquitous on the internet, and Google is quite good at giving people access to simple tutorials on this sort of thing. This is all extremely basic stuff, and anybody with this knowledge I would call a "novice". And yes, they could use WordPress. They might not be the best at it, and they'd still need to read the documentation from time to time if they wanted to modify it, but they could do it without too much difficulty.
I don't expect people to know PHP or how to write a WordPress plugin. These are WordPress support forums, so this is where they come to find out about that sort of thing. This is where they come for more advanced knowledge.
Earlier, you said something like "this is more like software development". Well, yes, because that's exactly what it is. When you build a website, you are developing software. If you want to MODIFY how WordPress works, then you are changing the software and yes, that is software development.
A novice can use WordPress out of the box. It takes higher level knowledge to change things.
Posted 3 years ago #
If you take a look at my posts, you will see that not a single one is about modifying anything - they are all about problems with things not working, like inserting an image and writing a post.
Yes, that's right, I correctly installed WordPress, but I could not write a post. This was not a problem with WordPress itself apparently, but the server configuration (thank you Moshu). The same thing that caused the image insert problem.
This topic makes the point even clearer. Just read the frustration and anger of people who just need it to work for them. Talking about intelligence and incompetence really isn't helpful. The reality is that a tiny number of people who use the web every day have anything like the level of knowledge you have. If it irritates you to deal with morons like me, then I suggest you are in the wrong forum.
Now if you try to stop defending for a moment and start listening, you will see that the problem here is that people's expectation of WordPress is too high and the WordPress site should make it clearer what level of knowledge is required to install and run a website.
Posted 3 years ago #
You see, I can't even get it to insert a link correctly!!
[fixed your link - mod]
You see, I can't even get it to insert a link correctly!!
emphasis mine.
This - isnt wordpress, its bbpress, and it works just fine making links... there goes 3 now.
If it irritates you to deal with morons like me, then I suggest you are in the wrong forum.
Otto can defend himself, but I HAVE to jump in. Nowhere in this thread did Otto say he was irritated, and nowhere in this thread were you called a moron, or treated like one. Dont "put words in people's mouths" (or fingers); it's a very weak tactic when used online, since we can all go back and read exactly what was said.
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Ive just deleted about 10 paragraphs of stuff..
why fucking bother.. dime a dozen.
This is not software, it is a design tool for developers and to suggest you can have a blog "up and running in 5 minutes" is complete garbage.
I can have a blog up in less than 5 minutes. Honestly, put yourself out of your misery, and go use wordpress.com or blogger. Do us ALL a favor.
Posted 3 years ago #
Trust me, you don't HAVE to do anything.
I didn't say "it" was WP, nor that it couldn't make links correctly, I simply said I couldn't get it to do so.
I used the word moron to describe myself and people of my level of ability. I did not state or imply that Otto had.
In my opinion (I believe I'm still entitled to that) Otto has demonstrated irritation in his replies, particulalry to Jill in the other thread. Not wishing to put words in her mouth, I believe she thought so too, given one of her replies.
Indeed we can all go back and read what was said, I suggest you do so more carefully from now on.
Perhaps it might be better all round if you leave others to speak for themselves in the future.
I used the word moron to describe myself and people of my level of ability.
I can agree with your assessment. I went back and read the few threads youve started here. What struck me most was your pasting of login credentials -- a username and password, to a public forum, here.
I think I can count on one hand the number of times Ive seen that done around here (going back nearly 4 years). Most of the folks around here recognize that that isn't indicative of being the brightest bulb in the box.
That sort of falls under the "common-sense" heading.
wordpress.com is calling your name.
Enough, kids. I had to delete several responses here. Relax, ya'll.
In my opinion (I believe I'm still entitled to that) Otto has demonstrated irritation in his replies, particulalry to Jill in the other thread. Not wishing to put words in her mouth, I believe she thought so too, given one of her replies.
Don't mistake terseness for irritation. It takes a lot more than these forums to get me irritated. ;)
Also, remember that TEXT is a rather non-emotionally-expressive medium. Any irritation you read is most likely you reading it, not me writing it. And trust me, when I'm irritated, I'm quite capable of making it very, very clear. :D
If you take a look at my posts, you will see that not a single one is about modifying anything - they are all about problems with things not working, like inserting an image and writing a post.
In this very thread, you basically asked how to change WordPress to redirect to the blog on login, instead of to the dashboard. That is modification. Okay, so it's a modification that makes very little sense, but still...
The reality is that a tiny number of people who use the web every day...
Define "use the web". Because running a website is more than merely web-surfing.
If you want to run a website, then WordPress is a good package to use. Like any software, it's not perfect, but it works well enough.
If you just want to write for a blog, then perhaps you should use an alternate service. Like I pointed out, http://wordpress.com is a good choice. Mainly because (unlike other services) you keep full control of your content, and exporting from there to a self-hosted WordPress install later is entirely possible.
Now if you try to stop defending for a moment and start listening, you will see that the problem here is that people's expectation of WordPress is too high and the WordPress site should make it clearer what level of knowledge is required to install and run a website.
I'm not defending anything, I'm simply disagreeing with you. I think that the average webmaster, or even the beginner webmaster, could use WordPress and use it well. No, my mom could not use it, but then my mom could not run her own website with any sort of software.
Posted 3 years ago #
As you say, "enough".
Posted 3 years ago #
Hi people, fairly uninspiring thread as I am looking to do the same thing as Orchard_lincs. Well nearly the same, I want to redirect the user on registration to the website. I have the login redirect working fine.
I can see why one would not advise needing users to register, but at times I think it would be worthwhile, enter in games, submit reviews is my main focus for this.
Actually thinking about it, I have this set up and working in page, so once registered its all good. But im still using the full login page for registration/lost password etc and on that page (wp-login.php) i dont have the redirect set up, and its far more confusing to decipher than the simple on page login/redirect i have working in content.
Is this extremely unclear? -)
Posted 3 years ago #
I was under the impression having them subscribe would give me the opportunity to have them receive an email messagae when I post something new? Is that incorrect?
Posted 3 years ago #
Nor tried it myself yet (I'm about to), but this plugin should help... at least a little... assuming you're using 2.6.2 or above.
I see this helpful info from Kissie. Does this help so that the customer doesn't get redirected to the dashboard? They expect to be redirected back to the main blog site...and as the owner of the blog that is what I'd like to happen too. Will they get an email when I post soemthing new?
Posted 2 years ago #
This is ridiculous. My dashboard is suppose to open when i log in it doesn't. Why?
Posted 2 years ago #
I can't even find the log in page. What freek is the address?
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