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  1. Install4free
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    We are really happy to announce the arrival of a new service - the installing of WordPress for free.
    No need to offer money, no need to worry about trusting your details and no need to worry about the job being left incomplete. We will do it for nothing.

    There is more information on our blog: http://install4free.wordpress.com

    Right now there is a team of 10 of us. We all have extensive experience with WordPress, we all have given our time and expertise in the http://wordpress.org/support forums and we all not only trust each other but we are trusted by our peers.

    You want WordPress? You got it :)

    Tell people!

    (note: installing, not hosting)

  2. Medizinische Abkuerzungen
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Why for free?

  3. Cypher
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    In as much as this sounds like a good idea, I think the installation of WP (and just installation) is largely a pain free process and a good one for any budding blogger/web-admin to do themselves.

    For the fact that you don't disclose any names of the "volunteers", it is hard for anyone to feel safe to give you their login information.

    My $0.02.

    Regards

  4. Install4free
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    The number of posts here regarding installation attests to a need.

    There are people who would use WP but the install might be stopping them.

    The names? There ia at least one link there to follow which can let you do the maths. Read the 'Who is running this' page.

    Matt is perfectly aware of this, as are people on the forums mailing list and the hackers mailing list where it has been discussed. this is not about personalities, it's about a service.

  5. ladydelaluna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I've been a part of all the "development" of this idea in the forums mailing list - none of this has been set up secretly, none of it is for any other reason than to help people get over the hump of the install. (And yes, there are people getting stuck on "Step Two")

    Side note: If this weren't supported by WordPress and the developers, the link up there wouldn't be pointing to a subdomain of wordpress.com! I highly doubt that Matt would allow something like this if he weren't able to trust those involved, and willing to put the very nature of "his name" on it.

    Not for nothing, but I think the wariness you appear to have is for naught...

  6. Cypher
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I firmly believe in the idea that people should try to do something by themselves and seek any and all help they can get from others who've already gone through similar things so that they can learn themselves.

    You say you don't explain the installation process, that you just do it and let it be. In as much as that can be complicated for some, the customization of the blog that inevitably comes after is even more so. And people who don't have a clue as to the layout of files and things as such will have an extra hard time.

    There is nothing wrong is trying something out, stumbling parhaps, seeking help and learning how to get things done.

    If you offered a full-fledged service that not only included installation, but installation of themes and plugins and most importantly explained the whole process step by step to your "customer", then I would say there is a lot of value.

    If people just want to blog without having to worry about the intracasies of maintaining their own domain and the software that runs on it, there are enough services out there for that. But when they take the role of being their own webmaster, I just think they should go all the way and not half-ass it.

    P.S., and oh I'm not really concerned about whether this is a ratified thing as far as Matt or others go, I'm just more thinking along the lines of "teach them to fish...", if you know what I mean..

    Regards

  7. manstraw
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I sort of agree with you Cyber, the teach to fish thing that is. When I offer advice here, I purposely avoid offering cut and paste solutions. I try to get the person to understand the problem better, so they can come up with the solution themselves as much as possible.

    If you can't handle installing wordpress, I personally recommend wordpress.com or similar such services. But having said that, time will tell if this offer is ultimately useful to some people. If it sets them up to fail in the future, that will become apparent. If it gets them going, so they can then take more time to learn the rest, that will show itself too. I hope it's successful though. At worst, it's an interesting experiment. At best, it turns out to be darn helpful!

  8. I couldn't agree more with the above two posts.

    Installing WP isn't rocket science and it's skills that anyone running WordPress should learn. I mean, once they get it installed, they'll still have to install themes, plugins, etc.

    And yeah, if you can't handle installing it, WordPress.com is the way to go.

  9. pizdin_dim
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    "If you offered a full-fledged service that not only included installation, but installation of themes and plugins and most importantly explained the whole process step by step to your "customer", then I would say there is a lot of value."

    I agree there. After all, aren't just about all WP installations going to have some theme "tinkering" and some plugin installation? Who does that?

  10. carho219
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    If everyone that gets stuck installing WordPress uses this service, then the incentive to make WordPress easier to install and maintain will diminish. Because if no one seeks help on the support-forums for the basics like installing, changing themes etc. the developers won't know what to fix/improve.

    As a community we shouldn't encourage people to give out their passwords to anyone, even a service, unless some sort of guarantee is provided (or compensation if the passwords are compromised).

    A better idea would be if the group that has started this service would work with making WordPress even easier to install, improve documentation, write up guides etc. This would improve the community as a whole instead of just "helping" a few people.

    My 10 öre.

  11. febwa1976
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    My 2 cents is that (even if I needed this) I wouldn't touch this with a bargepole because there are no names mentioned.

    Should you give your name and password to a complete stranger on the internet...

  12. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 8 years ago #

    To all the above:

    You have the exclusive use of the Installation forum.
    It's yours, all yours.

    Go on then, teach. Every single day.
    I look forward to it.

  13. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 8 years ago #

    You lot really are incapable of following links to mailing lists and putting the numbers 1 and 1 together aren't you?

    FFS.

  14. febwa1976
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    True - I even had to look up FFS.

  15. gjschlitz
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Just 2 cents- I've been having installation issues, and posted all the details that are available, and have seen no solution or familiarity with the problem (a problem apparently 3 or more of us have). Despite this, and no logs or error messages or any way to even start troubleshooting, I'd prefer working this out with the help of fellows on this list...unless carho's recommendation were considered and the purpose was to take information from this experience to fix bugs or to improve installation guidance for others.

    http://wordpress.org/support/topic/78355?replies=10

  16. whooami
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    hahahah podz, this surprises you? :P aint no-one here thats even heard of Google!

  17. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 8 years ago #

    whooami - I did think certain people would know about the biggest search engine on the net, yes.......

    For anyone who wants to read how this came about, who has been involved, who the installers probably are and how long this has been thought about:
    http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-forums/2006-April/002198.html
    http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-forums/2006-April/002336.html
    http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-forums/2006-May/002353.html
    http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-forums/2006-May/002423.html
    http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-forums/2006-May/002513.html
    http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-forums/2006-May/002550.html
    http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-forums/2006-June/002722.html
    http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-forums/2006-July/002834.html
    They all link to the wp-forums mailing list.
    A post about it was made to the wp-hackers list too.

    If you STILL doubt the honest and helpful intentions behind this idea you can ask yourself why the moderators are not ripping into this thread.

    Do NOT start the "I can do this so why can't others" rubbish.
    Do NOT start the "Teach to fish" junk either - or maybe we shouldn't have plugins because we should all go learn php eh?

    This is a real project by people who want to help other potential users of WordPress.

  18. Cypher
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Podz,

    First, chill!

    Secondly, I never questioned the honesty of the people who are offering this service. I only questioned the intention of providing a service that gets people started without a real direction to head in.

    Please don't feel like you are the only one answering questions in the forums, you have been prolific in your posts for as long I've been here and might have been "tagged" with a title that indicates your prominence in this forum, but there are many others who provide valuable answers to those who seek answers as best as we can.

    Most of those people got there because they probably tried everything themselves, struggled and learned. If that didn't happen, then there would be less people adept in dealing with all variety of WP questions.

    This might be an issue with personalities. I am a Software Engineer by trade and appreciate trying something and in time learning how things work. Others might or might not agree. And I do expect that if I can do something without too much heartache, others should be able to do it as well, or at least give it a damn good try!

    But whatever..I think my time in these forums is nearing it's end, I will continue to use WP for my personal use..

    Regards and Ciao..

  19. manstraw
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Podz, I don't appreciate the 'tone' you are using when speaking with to the 'you lot' group. Although this might be the first most of us have hard about this, we very respectfully spoke of our concerns with this new service. I personally did not question the honesty of anyone involved, but it's a valid point, and can very legitimately be asked, *and* answered. The links you've provided are helpful, as are the respectful responses I've also read.

    I personally believe the moderators should hold themselves to a higher standard of behaviour than the people they are moderating. Or at least to the same standard. You're telling people not to ask valid questions, and not to point out very valid concerns. Perhaps these concerns have been addressed in another place. All I know is that this is the first I've heard of it, I chose to respond to the announcement here.

    If this topic is valid for this forum, surely respectfully stated concerns and questions are also valid.

  20. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I think the free installs are a great idea, and the people behind it are top-notch.

    Podz, might be good to have an "about" page on the site listing the folks involved.

  21. febwa1976
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Exactly

  22. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 8 years ago #

    It's there.
    Go read.
    Okay?

  23. petit
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    This is a new and untested service and we'll just see how it turns out. You may well have concerns about such an arrangement, but anyone is free to choose to use it or not. I can see no harm in that. If it turns out that for some reason it doesn't work well it will be improved or nicely shut down.

    As for the opinion that a blogger is better off learning the installation process, I agree, but not everyone need to know the technicalities of WordPress from day one.

    For the not so tech savvy, it might be a good thing to just start blogging. Then peu à peu discover how to tune or change a theme, install plugins, etc.

    By slowly learning stuff, probably supported by the helpful crowd in the WP support forum, the blogger will be able to make a WP upgrade or even build his/her own theme.

    It's all about getting started, and about promoting a good blogging platform.

    Let's hope it works out, and let's not bring it down before it leaves the launch pad!

  24. Cypher
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    @Podz, please change your tone. We are not children that need to be scolded! Act like the adult you are!

  25. Personally, I think podz is acting fine and you guys are the ones with the problems, but maybe that's just me...

  26. whooami
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I have to agree. Between this thread and the mailinglist, I think a few folks just need to stfu and let the people involved do what it is they set out they do.

    If you dont like the wording on the blog-site, tough.
    Dont like the announcement wording, tough.
    Dont like the idea, dont use it.

    Isnt that simple enough? The folks that help people here day after sorry day deserve better than the crap they get here most of the time.

  27. Cypher
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Haha, I feel like I'm back in high school. This place has developed these nice clicks and groups..wonderful!

    Goodbye.

  28. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    *Cliques

    click is what your pen does.

  29. ladydelaluna
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Cypher - stop "threatening" to leave the forums and either do it or don't. No one's going to beg you to stay, but you've made this threat twice now, yet you keep coming back here to throw out your opinions.

    Just stop already.

  30. scaturan
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    really? for free? sounds like a good deal. on the main site, perhaps, a link to each individual's personal page in addition to their "forum profile" would also help.

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