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I don't like the way 2.5 is going (41 posts)

  1. erlendds
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    It's hard to say this without sounding ungrateful for all the work people put into this. And I really love WP.
    But I just dloaded and installed 2.5, and was really disappointed.
    There were a lot of improvements, but I have two main concerns.

    -Poor backwards compatibility with theme/plugin.
    Granted, I've only spent little time on this, but my theme doesn't work and the plugins has glitches.

    -Poor admin menu.
    This is more important though, I am really not pleased with the admin menu. It is too simple, and I find that it takes time to get the complete overview on each page. The colors don't help either. It's cool if it looks good, but this is the back end of my site, and therefore I just want it to work as efficiently as possible.

    I fear that I will have to use a lot of time and effort to update my site. But I also want the new improvements and the security. I don't want to be stuck with 2.3 for ever. Help?

    One last disclaimer: These are my personal opinions, I don't mean to start a flame war, and I know that 2.5 is still in beta and I that I haven't tested it for a long time. I just had to say it.

  2. cnymike
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I am in agreement concerning the Admin. It is a huge waste of space...very poorly implemented and a giant step backwards in my opinion. Why so much wasted space? Why is everything so BIG? It's as if the Admin was being designed for people with failing eyesight and made super large for them to see.

  3. redwallhp
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I can live with it, and I do like some of the improvements, but there are some parts I don't really like.

    On a realated note: In WP 2.5, there is a huge emphasis on changing themes vs. editing themes. There is a huge CHANGE THEME button on the *dashboard*. Why? Changing your theme shouldn't be a commonly used function. Editing is more frequently done, and only newbies change their theme every month.

  4. ajg
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I have to agree.
    Lets see:

    1. All this space and HUGE fonts.
      Please ask your designer to use a 1200x or 1400x res monitor :)
    2. "Write" - do we really need ~280 px of vertical space before the Title field?
    3. Write - > "Post" please move "Categories" to right side column, above "Publish Status". Why is it a good idea to scroll a half a mile just to look for a categories at the bottom of the "huge" admin page?
    4. Write - > "Page" same as write. "Page Template" way to far away.
    5. Write -> "Links"? sound a bit strange? I'll "Manage" the links ;)
    6. Manage-> "Media Library" page is missing a "Upload Media" button?
    7. Settings -> "Permalinks" How about a option "Name based ONLY for pages" ?
    8. Users: What happend to user ID and can we please have the option for sorting by the column?
  5. marie-aude
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    What I really miss in this version and it is for me a definitive no-go is that I can't find anywhere the post and page nicename fields.

    Actually, you have to save the post to the the field for the permalink, and here you can modify your slug.

    Two steps instead of one.

  6. mttcrlsn
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Just loaded the current SVN version on my test site. So far it looks ok in the admin area. I think where some are commenting about the wasted space is because the window is larger than 1024. As for the fonts well they look a little odd having both the large (good for high resolutions resolution) and tiny fonts in the upper right. Definatly need to "theme" this out to correct it. My theme from version 2.3 seems to work so far.

  7. bryan868
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    The new widget control page is a HUGE step backwards. Drag and drop function is gone. Multiple sidebars are organized in a drop down box. A DROP DOWN BOX? What is this, 1998?

  8. chewru
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    i share the concern with the way 2.5 is going. i don't like the administration panel, i dont like the write page and the waste of space, and i'm very nervous about breaking the 20+ plugins i have running on my site.

    the admin stuff doesnt' need to be 'web 2.0'. it needs to be functional, fast, and above all, make changes in baby steps to ensure they work and can be digested by the community.

    i applaud all the programmers who work on this with little monetary incentive, but i think they're going to see very light downloads for the 2.5 release because of all the people out there who are just very turned off to the pre-releases we've seen.

  9. arickrol
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    The single drop down box for widgets is a major pain in the butt. I tried using it on a test blog of mine and it is near impossible to move widgets around to test placement and content.

    With drag and drop capability plus the ability for multiple sidebars, in the widget control area, functionality would increase. Maybe I'm being picky.

  10. zackdesign
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I just won't use WordPress without drag-and-drop.

  11. lordfett
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Geez... I'm looking everyday at Chris Johnston's WP 2.5 Admin Demo (http://wp.chrisjohnston.org/) and I see next step backwards...

    Why admins changed this nice, light-blue header of the dashboard to dark, gloomy blue?! Admin page became unreadable and marking of the chosen page to edit (for example here: http://wp.chrisjohnston.org/wp-admin/theme-editor.php) is a dream of a madman. Who will manage to read so small orange font on a dark blue background? :/

  12. Stevish
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I think a lot of these issues could be solved by implementing admin themes. Even if it's not made easy for millions of people to write the themes, I think it would please more people. Have a few different color schemes, and especially a very simplistic theme for those of us who simply want a "functional" admin interface.

    I think the developers will face difficulty pleasing people with admin changes, because even in the few opinions expressed on this thread, I've seen desires from wanting it less showy and more simplistic, to those who want better drag-and-drop support (very UN-simple).

  13. bryan868
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    With drag and drop capability plus the ability for multiple sidebars, in the widget control area, functionality would increase. Maybe I'm being picky.

    You're definitely not being picky. And I haven't heard any response for WHY this functionality was removed in 2.5. Seems ridiculous.

  14. Joni
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I agree, Bryan. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Add to it and clarify it and make it cleaner, simpler, more intuitive. I suspect some of this was just change for change's sake. If so, that's not the right path to be going down.

    WP has become so popular that everyone is using it. And not everyone is going to be able to figure a lot of this out without digging, flooding the forum with questions like how do I, where is, etc., etc., etc.

    WP 2.5's "new" dashboard? The answer to a question no one asked, IMHO.

  15. tazandpig
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    For all the guys/girls complaining about the admin interface, why don't you try out the excellent 'Fluency Admin for WP 2.5'?

    It's available here: Fluency Admin for WP 2.5

    For what it's worth, in my opinion it's what the 2.5 admin panel SHOULD have been. Who knows, given some time, it might well do in some form.

    I'm using it now on my 2.5 install and it works perfectly.

  16. nigel5
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I think I missed the 2.4 revolution so far, but it's good to see things moving... I just wish I could keep up :)

    My 12 peneth - I can ramble, apologies in advance :)

    Widgets - UN-simple yep ok, but it was there and it worked... very well. While I don't tend to tweak widgets very often the drag and drop made is really easy for end users to adjust things.

    The posts page... man what happened... with plugins, (podpress for example) you can currently scroll for miles for some of the unimportant stuff, now you gotta scroll for miles anyhow for important stuff - categories, pings and comments eek - and no drag and drop. My grievance here is that when writing posts, I'm used to word processors and "applications". the most important part of the "write a blog entry" process is the content and the editor. What you can do to the post is really a sub task. Please put the right hand side stuff back :( If you can make plugin "additions" appear on the right as well, you're onto a winner :) (at least the sections fold up though)

    The media library functionality looks to have moved forward, although the demo site doesn't have any images to play with so I can't tell about image sizing, thumbnailing, links etc... oh, and to break it, just click "add to post" with nothing there :)

    I'm divided on the functional/fancy war. My personal blog - definately functional however I manage some 26 blogs for clients that activly manage their own content, they are end users and appreciate the fluffyness on what we would see as the back end.

    The ability to CSS up the back end is awesome. Fluency is neat, but too dark... I think the idea is great though, wordpress the application, with menus and stuff. Mind you it could go all M$ orafice 2007 if you're not carefull, and even after 3 months of using that I still struggle to find what I need.

    WordPress IS the best blogging platform out there, and with one of the strongest plugin facilities I have seen it is close to being the best platform out there. The developers are doing a great job, and they generally tend to listen to the community. The fact that they have released an alpha, 2 minors ahead of the current stable release is testament to that.

  17. bryan868
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I don't want to get too off-topic, but Fluency IS rather nice. Thanks for the link.

    Someone needs to develop a plugin to fix the Widgets control page though! Either restore it, or make it better. Don't strip functionality.

  18. erlendds
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    After playing around with a little more, I've come to like it a little more, so I think I'll make the change when the final version is released.
    But I agree with all of you, there are some really nice new features, and also some major steps backwards.

    BTW, I found a really nice plugin that fixes the menu:
    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/ozh-admin-drop-down-menu/

  19. RyanWilliams
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I just want to clarify that the colours in the 2.5 admin area are completely configurable. If you're using Chris's demo installation, head over to the 'Users' area and you'll be able to choose between two defaults.

    Back to the topic at hand though, I completely agree. I'm really not keen on this new interface whatsoever, and it seems like an amateur designer's stab at producing something fresh and modern. Now, I know it wasn't an amateur designer that produced the layout, so I'm really not sure how it'd ended up so unsatisfactory.

    I think WordPress would do very well to look at Movable Type's admin theme (view demo — user/pass is demo/demo). For all Movable Type's faults, one thing's not really disputable: its admin area is a joy to look at and use, it looks consistent in all browsers (another WordPress failing), and it's generally got a lot of polish.

  20. Rongo
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    RyanWilliams: Wow, I had never seen Moveable Type's admin area before and, I have to admit, this is what I expected of WordPress.

    The functionality of MT's Write Page is quite efficient -- and logically laid out. No scrolling required to reach all necessary areas AND, categories and publishing dates/status are where they belong, on the sidebar alongside the post.

    I'm absolutely blown away at how ridiculously bad the forthcoming Write Page is in WP2.5 -- efficiency is greatly reduced. I'm on a 1680x1050 screen and I have to scroll just to reach the categories! And even then, I have to expand them because they are collapsed by default.

    Quite frankly, I have come to expect better from WordPress's development team. But wow, did they ever miss the mark on that Write Page, and I won't even get into the step backwards of the Widgets page with removal of the drag and drop.

    Colour me both unimpressed and disappointed. I expected better from WordPress than what they're about to offer their community.

  21. tsalagi_red
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I agree that the post write page rearrangement sucks big time. And where is the option to set post author? This one is absolutely essential to me!

    And yes, Fluency is great, although it doesn't help with the above layout problems.

  22. harknell
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Here' my issue: Why no backward compatibility mode? Why not distribute WordPress 2.5 with the "new" admin theme and an alternate "compatibility mode" theme that replicates the old one?

    If you remove drag and drop functions from the new widget area, why not have a setting that says "use the older style of widget management" and leave the old code in? Same for almost every major regressive change that has occurred. I seem to remember seeing directives to plugin programmers to use conditional logic in their plugins for the changes between 2.5 and previous versions, why not have the main program do this as well?

    And the real issue no one (I believe) has mentioned: Any plugin that adds tables to the database will almost certainly fail if not rewritten for WordPress 2.5. Most plugins use a function to add tables, and during plugin activation now these functions DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO GLOBAL VARIABLES ANYMORE....so if you use any variable to hold your plugin table names, or paths, or data, etc. (which most people do) unless you globalize them additionally in the main part of your plugin file (at the "global" level so to speak) these variables will be empty and cause the table install to fail. Expect a flood of "my plugin doesn't work" forum requests soon. In many cases it won't be apparent why the plugin doesn't work since users don't normally see that a table isn't there.

    Oh well, gonna be an interesting few weeks after release I bet.

  23. phocks
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Just throwing in my two cents. I'm really excited about this new direction.

    These are all great ideas, but I think change is good. Certainly will shake things up.

  24. mikehelms
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Kvetching about the layout of the new admin console seem to be all the rage now ... I really like it, and find it hard to go back to the admin console in my "legacy" 2.3 WordPress sites.

    The only thing I find myself doing from time to time is hitting the "Write a New Page" button by accident, when I really meant to create a post. Would be great if the inclusion (or exclusion) of these buttons on the main dashboard page was configurable. I create pages very seldom (and have no use for that button on the main dashboard page), but others may want this.

  25. chewru
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    i continue to agree with the majority here. having to scroll to the bottom of the page to select a category is downright inefficient.

    losing drag and drop widgets (which for me is useful because i have 20+ widgets running and occasionally have to move them around to optimize my content) is a critical error on the part of developers.

    who is going to stick with 2.3.3 as long as possible? wordpress 2.5 is looking to be the windows vista of blogging.

  26. Boris
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I like it

  27. thinkstorm
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I am using WordPress in a very basic manner, maybe a blog entry every week. For me a lot of things got easier, but I can see that a lot of plugins (like Flexible Upload) are not working anymore.

    Well Ajax is "cool", but the way it is implemented with the picture upload and browsing not really efficient - the space is too small to browse through the gallery, and loading takes a long time (and my flexible upload plugin doesn't work anymore in the AJAX overlay...).

    I wonder when I will forget to set categories and tags because I forgot to scroll down...

  28. Civ2boss
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Reading through these comments, I semi-agree with some of the complains.

    Moving the tags and category to the bottom might be a bad idea but I'm not sure yet. After all, how I work is usually write the post then worry about categorizing it.

    And I have to disagree with the widgets criticism. While I don't use any widgets, I think the new interface is much cleaner! And it does support drag and drop, albeit after you added it to the sidebar. Since I have not used widgets much I could be wrong here, but isn't easier to add multiple instances of each type of widget now? If I remember correctly, the old way of multiple instances required, as someone mentioned above, the old-fashioned drop down menu.

    Just to add, I love the new dashboard. It is clean, easy to read, and customizable! The new colors are nice too.

  29. Anatis
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I can live with it, but I would like the categories on the right hand side, not underneath where I have to scroll to it.

    And drag and drop needs to come back on the widgets, sorry. This new way just sucks.

  30. xanathon
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I have to admit, that I'm heavily annoyed by the way the 2.5 admin turned out. I'm using WordPress for years now and with every update it got better. But this one is a step back, by graphic design as by functionality.
    Drag'n'drop widgets gone. Huzzah! back to olden days...
    Admin-GUI by no means more accessible or more ordered, you find nothing

    And my biggest concern is the new post-GUI: EVERYTHING lined up in one row? gimme a break! categories UNDER the post, so i have to scroll? Image-insertion in a popup??? You cannot be serious?

    I installed Fluency to get the admin panel a little more bearable, but I will definitely go back to 2.3.3, I certainly hope there will be security-updates for that version. If not, I will probably switch to another software altogether.

    A pity, since I tested quite some blog softwares and WordPress was my favourite...

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