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1. xanathon
   Member
   Posted 5 months ago #

   It seems not as a good or ergonomic move to me to actually force me to do more clicks than before to achieve basic admin tasks.

   * No more direct link to the dashboard?
   * No longer the option to keep backend nav subpoints open to have easy and quick access??
   * The way too big "drop files here"-area leading to more scrolling when uploading and positioning images

   I really hope someone writes a plugin soon to get the old behaviour back or you reverse these changes - or at least give an option in the settings to change this to my linking

   I will definitely not install the new version to live sites, even if I desperately need the iPad support.

2. Rev. Voodoo
   Volunteer Moderator
   Posted 5 months ago #

   I will definitely not install the new version to live sites

   Then you will definitely not have a secure site in the future, and will risk the possibility of losing an entire site to being hacked.

   You also won't be able to update any plugins, or install new ones, as they will be contingent on the updated jQuery which ships with 3.3.

   Also, there is a direct link to the dashboard. Click your site name. From the dash, it goes to your site. From your site, it goes to the dash.

   Maybe a bit confusing to those of us used to a different way of doing things. BUt once you know, you get used to it.

   There is also a plugin available to expand your menus

3. xanathon
   Member
   Posted 5 months ago #

   Yes, I already found that plugin. It'S from one of the core developers who still insists the new menus are the best thing since sliced bread. Sure...

   Still: I cannot see any reasonable grounds to force the users to click MORE than before 3.3. To make the workflow more difficult and even highly annoying on mobile devices that is utter nonsense from a users point of view (and should be from a developers point of view). This is not "confusing" this is simply bad usability.

   I will wait what happens and what plugins are provided to circumvent this nonsense. Until then no update. Newer jQuery is not a problem, I am able to integrate it into older versions of WP.

4. meenzal
   Member
   Posted 5 months ago #

   I'm not so thrilled either. In my toolbar it says that I have three comments when I don't, and the new layout actually makes things more difficult with a menu system that is anything but handy. Also, using Scribefire in Chrome, my very first post to 3.3 ended up suddenly formatted to run across the screen, right through my sidebars and off the window. I had to go and update the post with WordPress so that it would flow with proper wraparound. Sort of defeats the purpose. Akismet is now also reporting that I have spam comments in the queue, but I'm darned if I can find them.

   I'm getting very shy about updates in general. Whether they are for my phone, my web browser, my mail client or WordPress, updates are screwing me up a lot more than they are helping me. They're turning me into a technological Ebeneezer Scrooge: Bah! Humbug!

   I feel a bit bad having dark thoughts about software that has served me faithfully and for free for a decade or more, but I honestly feel that the recent updates have done me more harm than good all across the board.

5. Ipstenu
   Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod
   Posted 5 months ago #

   No more direct link to the dashboard?

   Click on the name of your site from the front end. Takes you to the dashboard.

   No longer the option to keep backend nav subpoints open to have easy and quick access??

   You can get to them by hovering, not clicking.

   The way too big "drop files here"-area leading to more scrolling when uploading and positioning images

   You can revert back to the old uploader if you want to :) There are buttons on that screen to do so.

6. xanathon
   Member
   Posted 5 months ago #

   Click on the name of your site from the front end. Takes you to the dashboard.

   Okay, thanks.

   You can get to them by hovering, not clicking.

   Did you read what I wrote? I'm talking about mobile devices, no "mouse hovering" there. Additional: even on conventional devices as PCs or notebooks this is way more annoying and leads to longer workflow than just keep the submenus I constantly need open.

   You can revert back to the old uploader if you want to :) There are buttons on that screen to do so.

   Are you sure? The option given gives me the impression that my only option is to switch to the browser uploader. That's not the same as the old uploader. Asides from that if I want to use the drag'n'drop-interface I'm stuck with the way too big drop-area, am I?

7. Ipstenu
   Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod
   Posted 5 months ago #

   The 'old' upholder is the browser one. The flash one ... I suspect it's gone for good since I can't fathom it was actually GPL friendly. And it's the 'middle' new one, as those things go :) Sorry, should have said 'the originally, browser uploader.'

   As for your menus, try this plugin: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/expanded-admin-menus/

8. hmfwic
   Member
   Posted 5 months ago #

   Why did the 'get shortcode' button get scrapped and replaced with a delete cache' button? There's plenty of room to have both.

   Also, sort of on the same subject, the 'short-url' Custom Field used to give me the bit.com url. Now it is blank.

   Wazzupwidat?

9. hmfwic
   Member
   Posted 5 months ago #

   Please ignore all this . . .

   "Also, sort of on the same subject, the 'short-url' Custom Field used to give me the bit.com url. Now it is blank. Wazzupwidat? "

   . . . that was in my previous post. I found out that it was the Jetpack share feature that caused the sort url to go away.

   I went back to using the Share and Follow plugin for sharing purposes. It works a lot better for me than the Jetpack feature.

   So my basic question is still out there, and I want the shortcode button back in the admin bar.

10. Ipstenu
    Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod
    Posted 5 months ago #

    hmfwic - That was added by a plugin, not the DEFAULT toolbar.

11. blazemiskulin
    Member
    Posted 3 months ago #

    Add me to the list of people who is quite annoyed with the must-hover-to-see "feature" of the new admin sidebar.

    In the previous system, I kept expanded the areas I frequently used. I could "move - click" to get to the places I wanted. Now, I have to move - hover - move - click". That's wasted time and decreased efficiency.

    In addion, quite a few plugins make use of the admin sidebar to display information. Where I could, previously, glance at the sidebar and be presented with important information, I now have to manually mouse over each section and wait for it to display.

    So... the new system has removed information from my view and requires that I do more work to achieve the same results. That is not an improvement.

    And, yes, I see that there is a plug-in available. However, it's cookie-based. That means that I have to save the settings in each browser on each computer I use (that's quite a few), AND it's completely useless on computers where I disable cookies or frequently delete them.

    I'll probably get the plug-in (though that's one more bit of complexity to add to several dozen sites, and one more thing to keep updating, and one more opportunity for incompatibility and/or bugs).

    Why would the developers *remove* a level of control? I don't mind the flow-out--I'm sure it's quite useful for users--but I see absolutely no valid reason for forcing all sections to collapse and removing the ability of the admin to decide what is expanded and what is collapsed.

12. Claverhouse
    Member
    Posted 3 months ago #

    'Why' ? Because they can.

    Instead of accentuating the negatives of these useless changes, look for the positives --- unexpanded menus mean you have to concentrate on locating what you want, improving your memory skills; extra-added bloatware such as the toolbar means that everyone gets the same crappy experience across the web and brands the page instantly as a 'WordPress Blog' thus sending non-social readers away from the front-end and making the admin area as appealing as those poor dumb IE users' browsers with eight or more toolbars from Ask/Google/Microsoft/Yahoo/AOL whatever; the 'way too big "drop files here"-area' means you write shorter posts because of all the cluttered surround.

    'Why' ? Why did QuickTime and RealPlayer keep coming back no matter how often you deleted them ? To teach you to 'Learn to love them', to 'Get used to it' and 'Because they are here to stay'.

    I will definitely not install the new version to live sites

    Then you will definitely not have a secure site in the future, and will risk the possibility of losing an entire site to being hacked.

    An occasionally hacked site is a small price to pay for not looking at that loathsome toolbar.

13. Ipstenu
    Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod
    Posted 3 months ago #

    The tool bar is only required for the back end of WP, it can be disabled on the front end (and actually there are plugins and tips to disable it for ALL users on the front end if you want, no hacks needed). Only logged in users see the toolbar, most visitors won't even know it's there.

    And risking a hacked site is never worth it.

14. Claverhouse
    Member
    Posted 3 months ago #

    I have seen plenty of sites of which I am not a member on the web with an inviting toolbar --- I generally pass on these, as I pass on those with animated flash ( though I don't want to give the devs ideas for inclusion of compulsory animations and instant music in WP, if we're feeling as retro as toolbars indicate --- ah, the sweet sweet sound of a midi set to the max ).

    On the other hand, since my interest in my viewers' comfort is way lower than my interest in my own, it is the very fact that I would have to see it in the admin area that disgusts me.

    As for hacked sites, people make far too much fuss, it's not the end of the world; and one would be in distinguished company considering the huge hacking last year of some massive tech companies and others. Just check your site with Secunia every now and then to make sure it's not serving malware, such as toolbars and viruses. Although really considering those who get malware are generally running Windows, they ought to be used to it.

    And for people bleating about how to repair their hacked sites there's a simple alternative: simply keep an up-to-date mirror of the site on the server in another directory or elsewhere, and quickly swap it in instead of trying to work on something that can still contain bad code.

15. MarcEsadrian
    Member
    Posted 3 months ago #

    So here we are again, talking about how the tool bar isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    "The tool bar is only required for the back end of WP, it can be disabled on the front end (and actually there are plugins and tips to disable it for ALL users on the front end if you want, no hacks needed)."

    I strongly feel we should not have to go on an Easter egg hunt trying to find a plugin or "tip" to disable such an obviously obstructive feature in the first place, though I'm sure I'll be told otherwise. The option to hide the toolbar, front or back end, should have been provided by a simple setting within WordPress. I'm not so sure why it never was.

    As for me, I have solved the toolbar issue myself, though I was struck all along when spending time finding a solution how unnecessary doing so really was.

16. Ipstenu
    Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod
    Posted 3 months ago #

    Unless a site has used a plugin or hack, non-logged in users should never see the Toolbar on the front end of the site. Period. If someone's doing that on their own, well, I do it else where :) There are reasons.

    The option to hide the toolbar, front or back end, should have been provided by a simple setting within WordPress. I'm not so sure why it never was.

    Front end is a simple setting in WP. Go to your user profile. There's a setting right there.

    The reason it's not optional on the back end is that it actively replaced the old 'header' area, and certain options (login/out, etc) aren't available readily anywhere else. It's goal was to put quick reference for the most often used features, and allow you to blog faster. Removing it from the back-end increases the 'Easter egg hunt' as you put it :)

17. MarcEsadrian
    Member
    Posted 3 months ago #

    @Ipstenu:

    Front end is a simple setting in WP. Go to your user profile. There's a setting right there.

    For individual users, yes, but it's not something I can turn off globally on the front end for all users without keying in functions.php code or installing yet another plugin. A simple on/off check box would resolve that matter, for novice and pro alike.

    Back end is fine. It's the front end I'd rather see more base control over from the core. It's not a big deal (for me) at this point now, but it is a disconcerting issue when faced with it for the first time, and a fairly needless one.

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