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Have You Ever Paid for a Plugin? (40 posts)

  1. eddyj
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Anyone here ever paid for a plugin?

  2. Bricolou
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    yes, why?

  3. Kahil
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Nope, and I never will. I have a big problem with someone who charges for an addon to a free program. For someone to make profits off of a free, public software such as WordPress is low. There should be something in place to prevent such things. They are making money off of all the hard work the WordPress developers have done. They would not have a product or profit were it not for the WordPress developers or any other plugin developer who created a similar and/or less advanced version that they may or may not have used as a reference in the building of their own plugin. Donations are one thing, but not profits...

  4. eddyj
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    kahil just because the program is free that doesnt mean everything else should be free

    I bet you resent paying for internet, paying for gas, paying for food

    Heck life is free but you have to pay for food to keep yourself alive..

    Joomla is free but there are many places you can BUY templates, Buy additions

    At the end of the day if someone wants something if they are not willing to make it themselves then they shouldnt get it for free this includes wordpress yet wordpress people are nice enought o give something free.. doesnt mean other things you shouldnt have to pay for..

    You need internet access to use wordpress.. should that be free LOL.. exactly.. wake up get with the real world and stop being a free loader

  5. eddyj
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    I gladly pay for plugins if they do what i want.. i have no qualms handing over $20 or $90 depending on what it does and depending on that there isnt a free version out there thats better

  6. kalico
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    I have never bought a plugin per se, and probably never would. There are just way too many great plugins out there that are free -- I have seen a couple that cost money and my reaction was somewhat like Kahil's. Probably that is mainly because I have never seen a paid plugin I could not live without that someone else hadn't created something very similar (or even better) for free.

    The obvious exception would be a custom plugin. If I actually asked for someone to build me a custom plugin because I couldn't find one to meet my needs, I would assume I was paying for that, since I initiated the request.

    That said, I have indeed donated several times. I know how many hours these guys sit around just tweaking with code, producing in some cases many, many useful and brilliant features for users like me who aren't so savvy. And the really great ones provide fantastic support too. These are the ones I will tend to donate too....if I've used a bunch of their plugins, and they were super helpful to support my use of it, and they aren't asking for anything in return. That's when I want to do something in return!

    I also have donated when someone made major mods to a plugin based on my suggestions, and when someone actually made a custom plugin just for me, without my asking directly (it was the result of some support questions on an existing plugin, which led to a completely new plugin). In both cases, the developer never asked for anything, and in both cases they really could have.

    I hope that helps to answer your question!

  7. Kahil
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Comparing WordPress and internet or gas is not a very good comparison! I do not resent paying for those things as it is the work of making those things that I pay for.

    So if you create a unique plugin and charge for it, will you be angry when someone else comes along and releases a free version? I have yet to see a completely original plugin for wordpress that does not use any part of wordpress to run nor have I seen one that wasn't loosely based on another plugin in form or in idea. Any original plugin from the time of WordPress' conception has already been changed, copied, upgraded, phased out, etc. All plugins do anyways is tie in things that could, with the know how, be done by yourself, etc.

    Name any plugin out there that is completely original and not based even loosely off another. Name any plugin out there that in its original form will function as a standalone, without the use of WordPress' code, etc. Thats right, you can't... Any plugin made for profit will have a short lived span of profitability as others out there will undoubtedly create a new, free version that will do the same thing.

    WordPress developers spend countless hours making a free product. It is immoral for someone to come along and make a profit off of that.

  8. Samuel B
    moderator
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Agree completely with Kahil - never have and never will.

  9. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    WordPress developers spend countless hours making a free product. It is immoral for someone to come along and make a profit off of that.

    Well, that's a rather dramatic statement.

    I have a client who wants a new web presence. As part of that, they want a CMS and blog. I should charge them for my time to do everything except installation, customization and configuration of their WordPress install(s)?

    I don't think so.

    Yes, installs are different than plugins... but you could extend my scenario there too. Perhaps they need WP authentication to work with their existing Portal and its security system. There's no existing plugin that'll do it, so I'll code it for 'em. That won't be for free.

  10. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Side note: This could be an interesting discussion if it stays civil. Let's try and do that, else it'll get closed quickly as we're wandering rather far afield of "Support".

  11. Samuel B
    moderator
    Posted 7 years ago #

    You are NO fun.

  12. charle97
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    samboll and kahil, are you two against paying for custom themes too?

  13. Kahil
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    You have a point there, but they are only paying you for the time you spend on said project. You would be charging them for the creation of that plugin, yes, but you would not be creating it with the intentions of charging countless others in turn. That is the difference.

  14. Samuel B
    moderator
    Posted 7 years ago #

    samboll and kahil, are you two against paying for custom themes too?

    Sure am - I can find dozens of easily modded themes - why pay for them?
    Like handy, I've created many custom plugins/themes/etc. for customers, but that's not the same as making a plugin for sale only.

  15. Kahil
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Throwing themes into the discussion is no different than plugins. You pay for the time to make that custom theme or plugin. Custom themes are made for a single user and not with the purpose of making that money off of many others. If I needed a theme or a plugin to be custom made for me, then yes, I would pay for someone to make it for me, but again, it wouldn't have been done with the premise of making profits from many others.

  16. Kahil
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    samboll is on the mark there. custom jobs for single users is not the same as doing so for mass sale.

  17. emhouston
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    I have never paid for a plugin but I have made many donations to support plugins I have come to depend upon. Examples of that are the "In-Series" and "Progress-Fly" plugs. It goes without saying that I would expect to pay for a 'custom' or requested plugin.

  18. Samuel B
    moderator
    Posted 7 years ago #

    I have made many donations to support plugins

    Excellent! That's the spirit and I would encourage everyone to do the same.

  19. pizdin_dim
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    "Nope, and I never will. I have a big problem with someone who charges for an addon to a free program."

    This is a ridiculous thing to say. You're another person who's misunderstanding what "free" means. It has nothing to do with price and everything to do with freedom. And that includes the freedom to charge money for it, via donations or otherwise.

    That freedom is explicitly granted under the GPL license WP is distributed under.

  20. Kahil
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    I am not misunderstanding what "free" means. I simply said that I feel it is wrong to charge for plugins for a program such as WordPress. You know, I know, we all know that any plugin created for wordpress that someone charges for will either be shared out or redone by someone else who won't charge for. The profitability for wordpress plugins only has a limited window.

    May a good thread for someone to start would be one that highlights plugins that provide such a good service or functionality that warrants being paid for.

    Look, there are a lot of things in life that are "ok" to do, but it still doesn't make it right.

  21. pizdin_dim
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    "I simply said that I feel it is wrong to charge for plugins for a program such as WordPress."

    But why is it "wrong" to charge for free software? I don't understand your argument.

    Initially, you mentioned that it's "low" of people to make any profit from free software. But that's exactly my point when I said you misunderstand what free software is. Profit has nothing to do with it, it's about freedom to make a profit or not and the freedom to make changes if you want to. Just as long you don't try and take that same freedom away from others.

    The WP developers have always been fully aware that all their hard work and time could be used as a basis for someone else to make some financial gains. That's what the "free" in free software means.

  22. Kahil
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Please do not tell me that I do not understand what "free" means. I do...

    My argument was not that it was wrong, that was my opinion. My argument was that there is no reliable degree of profitability in charging for a free software such as this. Like I said, I could easily pay for a plugin and just give it out to others. I could also make a few small changes to it and release to the public for free.

  23. pizdin_dim
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Ok, I understand what you mean by "degree of profitability in charging" but what about charging for installation, upgrades, theme customisation, etc. Is that wrong? Most of us who offer WP as a platform do exactly that.

  24. Kahil
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    If you read one of my earlier posts, I state that explicitly. Charging for the installation, creation, customizations, etc. is one thing. It was my opinion that doing so for mass selling in the name of profit from more than a single user was wrong.

  25. lisavollrath
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    I have never purchased a plugin---but I've donated to plugin authors who post their plugins for free.

  26. whooami
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    "Name any plugin out there that in its original form will function as a standalone"

    Youre kidding, right? There are plenty of plugins for wordpress that provide something FOR wordpress that use NONE of its code, and therefore work fine as stand alones?

    Need one? My last.fm cloud plugin. Need another? Anything similar to that that integrates a third party application/web site into WP in a similar fashion.

    I wonder, since last.fm does have the option to subscribe, and since Ive always subscribed,
    do I get to charge for my plugin w/o your scorn, kahil?

    As to the original question, I've solicited help from friends in doing a lot -- Ive also taken the time to "pay" them --

    One individual got the New BT cd shipped all the way to Australia. Another has gotten a cpl paypal payments.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with charging for something that you have worked to create. And the market usually dictates whether or not the item is worth the price.

    I'm happy to pay for something I want, especially if I cannot do it myself.

    PS: By definition, in order to be a plugin for WP, a plugin must use a hook. It's a rather simple task to remove the code that provides the hook, and use a simple include statement to display output.

  27. Kahil
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Ok, first of all, y'all are getting way too worked up over this. Seriously, there are more important things to bitch about.

    Next, please read a person's full post rather than skimming through and only seeing what you want to nit-pick over. I did not say that there was anything wrong with charging for a plugin or theme that you made for someone. My problem is with people that do so for the sole purpose of profit. Most of the plugins and themes that I have seen on the internet that people were charging for, were simple plugins. As for themes, many are charging for themes that they did not create, rather modded. I can sit here all day and mod out themes and sell them. My problem is with such people profiting off of the ignorance of others. By ignorance I mean those who just don't know that they are getting ripped off because they aren't web geniuses.

    Besides, what is the point of mass selling a plugin or a theme anyway? It only takes one person to end all that. One person to by it and then give it out. Said person buys it and then gives it to two friends, they each give it to two friends, and so on and so on. You seriously only have a limited window of profitability.

    Again...chill out...actually read all of what someone posts before gettin' nasty...

  28. drmike
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    Reminds me of phpNuke...

  29. mutube
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    I've taken on paid work to update/modify my own plugins on an individual basis. Not all functionality is general and it doesn't make sense to release all plugins.

    If someone offers to pay me to add features I'll happily accept it. I'm not mad. The first conversation I have is establishing whether the code is general / releaseable. If it is I have a GPL discount and charge less for the work.

    Kind of backwards that, but I like it.

    I think the tasteless thing is not people charging for plugins per se but when the plugins are simple, easily reproducible and available in free versions elsewhere. It's profiteering of new users naivety.

  30. Joni
    Member
    Posted 7 years ago #

    First:

    You know, I know, we all know that any plugin created for wordpress that someone charges for will either be shared out or redone by someone else who won't charge for.

    That sounds like an argument a warez pirate would make..

    Second:
    whooami got it right:

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with charging for something that you have worked to create. And the market usually dictates whether or not the item is worth the price.

    Bingo. It's about what a willing buyer will pay to a willing seller for something, anything. No matter what it is. And there's nothing "unethical" about it.

    There is a great TextPattern guru/plugin developer who would create a new plugin and ask for donations .. it was up to anyone what they donated, a dollar, a penny, ten bucks, etc. His policy was when he received X number of dollars (and he'd tell you in advance what that number was, depending on the complexity of the plugin, I imagine), THEN he'd release it for free. So people who were willing to pony up the cash for the plugin contributed to its being released to the rest of them. I thought it was an interesting concept.

    And to answer the OP's question, yes, I've paid for certain plugins (two to be exact). And I nearly always hit the PayPal or Amazon wish list of a plugin developer whose plugins I use regularly, especially if he's taken the time to answer a question for me or help me troubleshoot it. David Chait, of chaitgear.net is a good example of a plugin author who releases free plugins, but who will go to the ends of the earth for you if you run into trouble. So for that, I'd gladly contribute.

    J :-)

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