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Frustration with columns, tables, and layout. (9 posts)

  1. billkwando
    Member
    Posted 4 months ago #

    I'm building a non-blog site for someone, and gravitated toward wordpress due to its apparent ease of use, because I want to get the site up and running and hand it over to the client so they can make on-the-fly updates easily.

    I'm finding building simple pages to be an exercise in frustration, due to the inability to make simple formatting changes, such as changing a page from a single 900px-wide page to one with 2 columns. It seems strange that you can put all this HTML into a page, and then WordPress ignores half of it. For example, I was trying to build a simple small email subscribe form/social networking box on the page....and while the table shows just fine on the visual editor (colors and all), on the actual page it's a tiny printed unformatted colorless mess.
    http://franznicolay.com/wordpress/test-page/

    (see the second form box...the first one I created with a plugin that also doesn't seem to acknowledge my table colors or widths).

    I'm sure someone's going to tell me not to use tables and to use divs instead, and that leads me back to the conundrum of wanting to be able to design a simple multi column/box page design from the standard WP editor, without a lot of coding....so my client can update through the visual interface whenever possible. Not to mention that none of the divs I've made with plugins work in IE8, only firefox.

    What I'm not looking for is boxes or columns all over the place (not a full on magazine layout). More like the ability to create a simple 2 column layout, with the ability to place more boxes inside, like for my subscribe widget thing. I'd also like the columns to force text to wrap, but cause I have a problem with standard sentences running off the side of the page instead of wrapping:

    http://franznicolay.com/wordpress/thedesignofgreatdespair/
    (you'll have to view it in FF or Chrome, cos as I mentioned, the divs don't work in IE).

    I know I'm not providing a staggering amount of detail. I know I'm on the newest ver of WP, and that the theme is Big Square by Wordspop, modified by me in the style.css to be 900px wide and get rid of the blank but unformattable sidebar....I also know that the Wordspop menu in the Dash doesn't even work....but it's too late for that now cos I'm stuck with this theme as the client has already OK'd the design (wants a white page and likes the navbar).

    I'd just like some guidance to extricate myself from this mess without making myself look like a bigger idiot than I already do....I mean what kinda web designer can't create a simple page split down the middle, with a pic on one side and news on the other (that doesn't keep running off the page til it's in the Atlantic)?

    Me, apparently.

    P.S. I'm willing to provide whatever details or perform whatever tests you might suggest, so if you're willing to help, I'm willing to listen and absorb.

  2. vtxyzzy
    Member
    Posted 4 months ago #

    You might try replacing the TinyMCE editor with the CKEditor plugin.

    I find it much less frustrating in general. And, it has built-in table management capabilities.

  3. billkwando
    Member
    Posted 4 months ago #

    Will installing that affect my existing tables when I go to edit pages?

    I ended up, after trying a truckload of plugins, using TinyMCE Advanced. It's the only thing I've consistently been able to make tables with, and it has a decent number of options.

    I also ended up having to strip all the caption options from the style.css, and shorten one graphic that was too wide to fit into my layout. After that I pretty much was able to do what I was trying to do. Now my only problem is when I make a 1 row 2 cell table, and try to put a pic in the left side and text in the right, the content won't stay at the top of the cells, and one always migrates down the page...even using valign=top

    Oh well!

  4. vtxyzzy
    Member
    Posted 4 months ago #

    If you like TinyMCE Advanced, take a look at Ultimate TinyMCE. It has the features of CKEditor, but retains TinyMCE.

  5. billkwando
    Member
    Posted 4 months ago #

    Will the other type of editor keep the Visual tab from deleting my content? I have a large chunk of text and graphics that just vanishes in midsentence every time I tab over, then I have to paste it back in again.

  6. vtxyzzy
    Member
    Posted 4 months ago #

    Not sure what you mean when you say 'tab over'. The TAB key in TinyMCE is not like the TAB key in Excel. It will not 'jump' to the next cell or tab stop.

  7. billkwando
    Member
    Posted 4 months ago #

    I mean the tabs at the top of the editor, Visual and HTML.

  8. vtxyzzy
    Member
    Posted 4 months ago #

    The WP editor is notorious for messing things up when you switch between Visual and HTML. In general, you should never do that because of the problem you just described, among others.

    I know that the CKEditor is better at switching because it has its own Source control so you don't have to use the HTML tab.

    I believe that Ultimate TinyMCE also has its own HTML icon, but I have not used it.

  9. esmi
    Theme Diva & Forum Moderator
    Posted 4 months ago #

    I recently installed http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-table-reloaded/ for a client. That does a very nice job of making tables easier to wrangle for non-technical authors. Tobias also seems to provide excellent support (judging by these forums).

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