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contructive criticism. (32 posts)

  1. mycoo62
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I've been working on my site, http://www.ieatpeople.com for the past couple of weeks and I have it almost right. Let's hear your thoughts, and maybe how I can make it better.

    -Mike

  2. chillbilly
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Was kinda nervous about goin to a site with a name like that!!! :)

    I like it...not much done in the way of mods, but I'm the kinda guy that like a simple looking site...easy on the eyes eh ;)

  3. niziol
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    How to make your site better you ask?

    [Moderated: unnecessary diatribe on site's content]

    "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
    -William Shakespeare

    Cheers,
    Michael.

  4. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Michael, I don't think that's at all necessary. In general, it's not a request for people to vet content when someone asks about a site; it's a request for input on the layout, the theme, etc.

    Now. Give me a good reason why I should repost what I edited out.

  5. mycoo62
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    niziol,

    I agree, "you're gay" is pretty offensive, but it was truly concieved as a satire article. I was trying to convey the current effeminization of popular culture. I.E., men using more beauty care products than women, and getting their eyebrows waxed. These traits have nothing to do with being a homosexual, as I know many strait men who do this. I guess I did use the term "gay" too loosely in this article. (no pun intended). I was trying to bring light on how the defination of being a "man" has changed. I have not read this in months, and your're right, it can be very offensive. I guess I wasn't really thinking about that at the time it was written, I will do my best to properly explain myself in the future. I have decided to remove the article and sorry if it upset you.

    -Mike
    http://www.ieatpeople.com

  6. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    You don't need to apologize, Mike. Your content is your content, and it's not at all necessary for ANYONE to comment on it one way or the other.

    I'm sure you'd like some constructive input about the theme etc. I haven't had a chance yet but I'll take a look shortly.

    [Ah, Mike - please don't use your site addy as a sort of sig addendum. We don't do that here.]

  7. mycoo62
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    vkaryl,

    I realize that, but he really does have a good point. I had all but forgotten about how poorly written it was, being one of my first attempts at satire. I choose to delete it on my own accord. Thanks though.

    -Mike
    (will do)

  8. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Site: I'm not into black, but the bright blue and red touches do add some relief. You manage the insertion of pics very well, with the text flowing logically around them.

    It's easy to use, though for me, not easy to read: light text on dark is very hard. Given the site's apparent thrust, the black makes sense however.

  9. niziol
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    vkaryl: I offered my opinion on his site, which from his response:

    I realize that, but he really does have a good point

    appears to have indeed been take as it was intended as constructive. I do apologize if I was a too "direct" to my point, but I feel the point was received and without my posting, the replies afterword are completely out of context. If you feel like we are in need of someone playing censor, then you must apply these, however egregious, censor tactics to the entire subject relating to whatever cause you believe exists to censor.

    The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.
    -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859

    Cheers,
    Michael.

  10. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Oh no, I don't think it's impossible to figure out what went on with your bits missing.

    Censor: no one SHOULD have to censor. YOU should know that you simply don't do the sort of thing you did on a public forum where you're ostensibly helping.

    In any case, while Mike seems to have taken your attack in good part, it WAS an attack, it was totally uncalled for, and that's an end of it.

  11. niziol
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I don't want this to turn into a battle with you, I request that either my post is returned in its entirety or that my post is removed in its entirety.

  12. whooami
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    while I understand that asking for criticism isnt necessarily asking for content criticism, I guess I dont see the point of the moderation and removal.. (just my .02)

    I didnt see what he wrote, however I do know I was tempted to say something about the content BEFORE he happened to post, and saw fit not to.

    I am sure though that whatever he wrote pales in comparison to a good deal of whats been posted here of late.

  13. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    *shrug* Good for you for NOT posting. It's not anyone's business about what people see fit to post on their personal blogs. When people ask for criticism here, it's accepted that it's for what the blog LOOKS like, not what they want to write for consumption, public or otherwise.

    If one of the mavens wants it put back, I'll put it back. Were I the author, I'd be embarrassed to have anyone else read it, but that's just me....

    [Point: I would have done the same no matter WHO posted it. An attack's an attack.]

  14. whooami
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    lol, its ok, vkaryl, i JUST had to get my daily post in, this was as good a place as any :)

  15. neon
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    In my opinion, the header is a bit aggressive, as is the blue of the post titles. One of the reasons I am not the biggest fan of most black themes (except for photoblogs) is that colourful headers, post titles and posted images stand out so much that the content text gets lost/faded. My two humble rusty cents worth.

    P.S. I think the header needs a bit more padding at the top.

  16. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    What, you're keeping a scorecard? *laughing*

  17. WarAxe
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I am sure though that whatever he wrote pales in comparison to a good deal of whats been posted here of late.

    whoami :: You said you didn't see what he wrote, though... so do you have some powers we don't know about? ;-)

    niziol :: Every now and then I get content moderated too... it just reminds me that I like to type (that's why we blog) and that sometimes, because we're not perfect, we may go off a little... :-) Don't take offense, unless you think you're perfect. :-) Even if the recipient is cool with it the recipient isn't a moderator. :-)

  18. whooami
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    WarAxe,

    No but I do know what else Ive seen here...

    No matter.

  19. niziol
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    vkaryl: Whether you are right or wrong or I am right or wrong or who should feel embarrassed about what is not the point. The point is that you do not get to judge what is relevant or irrelevant anymore than I do. WordPress, the internet as a whole exists because all people, regardless of whether you may or may not agree with their views or lifestyle choices or views on those lifestyle choices, have the inalienable right to express their opinion. It is left to those who read that opinion to make their own decisions about it, it is not a decision to be made by anyone other than the reader.

    Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too. -Voltaire

    Shall I even bother to point out the hypocrisy in applying your censorship to my criticism, yet freely stating: “Were I the author, I'd be embarrassed to have anyone else read it, but that's just me....?. If your true convictions where against these “attacks? then you would apply those convictions to yourself.

    Please do the right thing, whether you agree with me or not, whether you despise me or not, it is not up to any of us to decide what someone else should read or should not. Either restore my posting or remove it and all reference to it in its entirety.

    Michael.

  20. mycoo62
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I don't think vkaryl is against freedom of speech/opinion but rather making a point that the purpose of this forum is to review and make suggestions for the art and designs contained in WordPress sites. As you can see, for good reason. This topic seems to have run away from what I initially had in mind.

    -Mike

  21. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    My rights are being trampled!

    oh wait. wrong thread. Carry on.

    (oh hey, I like the OP's theme, by the way.)

  22. whooami
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    hahah, well the lesson learned is that the Internet is not a democracy, and it never has been.

    No offense, niziol, I'm family :)

  23. niziol
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    WarAxe: nobody is perfect, least of all me, but that is the point. No one is perfect, no one is omnipotent, no person should determine the thoughts, views or ideas that another person can have, hold or contemplate.

    Blogging Without Borders just hit Version 2.0, and continues to fight censorship around the world. One of the best uses of Drupal I’ve seen, and the first I know in terms of “citizen media? which is starting to get hype these days around things like Bayosphere.
    -Matthew Mullenweg

    Censorship violates the very ideals of what WordPress is meant to proliferate and the very freedom that allows WordPress to even exist, the same freedom that allows Vicki to hold her views about my post.

    Please restore my post to its original or if you must, censor my post in its entirety and all references thereto.

    Michael.

  24. niziol
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    mycoo62: Of course this thread has run off, I'm sure we all know how successful the Inquisition was in stamping out heresy or even as the more you tell a child not to do something, the more determined they become to do it. The more you make it an issue, the more of one it becomes. If my post had be left as-is, I'm sure this thread would still be on topic.

  25. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    IF those who "run" the system here want the post returned to its "pristine" state, there are a couple of options:

    1. I'm not the only one with the pieces-parts.

    2. Archive for posterity: http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-forums/2006-March/001538.html

    For the record: I do not believe a forum situation such as this one runs on either democracy or freedom of speech. Some of one's "rights" get abrogated in order to do as little damage to the overall communal effort as possible.

    The sort of thing I moderated belongs on an individual blog, not on this forum.

  26. niziol
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    In the interests of preventing further distraction from attempting to assist other users, I am reposting my original post below. Whether you hold the belief that it is pristine or it is in bad-taste, it is not profane, it does not divulge any information which is not accessible prior to it's posting and it will end my need to continue to reply to this thread. If a community does not have open access, it can not share, it can not grow and it can not be a community. The communal entity that is WordPress can not exist without the free exchange of ideas, opinions and rebuttals, the good and the bad, sharing is what makes this a communal effort.

    * * *
    How to make your site better you ask? You can get rid of your homophobic garbage for starters. "You're Gay", "Brandon Likes Boys", I won't even bother calling you a twat, as I doubt you know what it means.

    Now, because you are such a low-brow, I'll give you this little bit of information to reflect upon: homophobia very often is "internalized homophobia" meaning it is a homosexual persons hatred for themselves and others persons of the same orientation that causes the homophobic individual to be homophobic.

    What does it all mean you ask? It means that a majority of homosexual persons will go through a period of extreme homophobic behaviour, during which they will go very out of their way to display their homophobic behaviour as a vain, futile attempt to convince themselves and others that they are not gay. Basically: it is highly probably that people who are outwardly homophobic, such as yourself, are actually homosexual themselves and can not accept it.

    The following quote from Hamlet is somewhat fitting I think:

    "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
    -William Shakespeare

    Cheers,
    Michael.
    * * *

  27. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    ROFL - calling someone a twat isn't profane! Sweet, Monday's gonna be a hoot.

  28. moshu
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    The communal entity that is WordPress can not exist without the free exchange of ideas

    That's empty rhetorics. The place for "free exchange of ideas" is your blog and the OP's blog. Please, take the discussion there.
    This is not a "general" forum = discussion board. It is for support regarding technical issues related to WP.
    Anything else does not belong here. It is that simple.

  29. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 8 years ago #

    I would add that WordPress is not a "communal entity," it is a weblogging tool.

    There is a WordPress community, but that should not be entangled with issues of "free and open expression" within these forums, which are first and foremost intended for supporting and helping this community. Anything getting in the way of that goal should be taken off the forums.

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  30. whooami
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

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    Can I steal that? Thats classic :)

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