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Content Editor like Microsoft Word! (28 posts)

  1. Hi,

    Josh Lobe here. Developer of the Ultimate Tinymce plugin for WordPress.

    I am working on a new interface for the content editor which mimics the Microsoft Word editor. It is not identical... by heavy Microsoft Word users should definitely see some similarities.

    Here is a link running the demo:
    http://tinysap.joshlobe.com/

    I'm wondering how this would be accepted into the WordPress community. If anyone cares to take a few moments, I would certainly appreciate some feedback and constructive criticism.

    Thanks!!

  2. Justin
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I kind of like it. I am not a microsoft type of person but I can see this being a big hit for the normal user.

  3. Andrew Bartel
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I bet it's a huge hit with non-technical users.

  4. Would you still use it if you couldn't re-arrange the buttons?

    A big hit of Ultimate Tinymce, is being able to select which buttons are shown, and which are not.

    In this example... everything would be hard-coded... so it would always look like that.

    But, there are a few advantages... such as working with the "Source" tab... it applies your changes "Real-Time".

  5. Andrew Bartel
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Personally? I just do everything in the html tab.

    I don't see being unable to rearrange the buttons being a big deal but the real time updates would be pretty cool.

  6. Personally? I just do everything in the html tab.

    Me too. And yet, I develop a plugin only used on the visual side of the editor.. lol.

    Well, thanks for the feedback. I do agree with Justin as well, and think non-techies will like it. It also has node changes, which will activate a separate tab when certain elements are selected.

    Much work to do... but wanted to see if it was worth the time investment :)

    Thanks guys!!

  7. Krishna
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I had a cursory look. I like it very much though I generally and mainly use only HTML editors.

    I will leisurely have a look and see what more MS Word users may be looking for in such an editor. And also, if I find anything lacking as I have been using the MS product for long, again though for certain purposes only. So, I hope, if I revisit this page and post here, it will be helpful.

  8. WPyogi
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Wow - that is totally cool, Josh! (And I'm not a visual editor person at all either - and, in fact, not a huge fan of Word either - LOL!)

    But I agree that there are lots of people who would LOVE it - we're forever getting people around here who can't understand why they cannot use Word and claim that's the only way they can do it, etc.

  9. So, I hope, if I revisit this page and post here, it will be helpful.

    Yes, please. Thank you, Krishna!! I will certainly be monitoring this thread.. accepting as much feedback as I can get :)

    @WPyogi... Thanks!! Thank you very much :) That's what I was looking to hear. It's hard to remember what it was like using the editor for the first time... lol.

  10. Andrew Nevins
    Barrel Rider, Spam Zapper & Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi Josh, I'm really excited about this! It's such a good idea to resolve the very real conflict of UI components that inexperienced users endure when switching from Microsoft Word to WordPress.

    Are you planning to release this freely? Your contributions are already invaluable. Perhaps you'll be knighted.

  11. Lol... Andrew, my friend... you certainly know how to bring a smile to ones face!!

    Well, I've been kicking this around for a while...

    1. Do I release it completely open-source (free)
    2. Do I release a "stripped-down" version.. still very functional.. with an option to upgrade
    3. Do I only release it as a premium addon

    I don't like option 3. It needs to be "accepted" first. Which leads me to option 2.

    But, the beauty of it is that it can be used in any environment. So, it's not strictly "bound" to WP. Which would lead me towards option 1.

    It has a lot of potential across many different applications.

    What would you do??

  12. WPyogi
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    How about a 4. make millions! LOL!

    I almost hate to ask, but are there any IP issues with MS?

  13. Lol.. millions?? It has eluded me for years ;)

    I'm not sure I follow about IP issues with MS. What do you mean?

  14. Andrew Nevins
    Barrel Rider, Spam Zapper & Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I would usually go for option 1, but I have seen people's lack of empathy for the hard work that goes into making a plugin. So there's a risk you won't get donations.

    2. Sounds feasible, but if you're not going to bound it to WordPress, you'll have to strip it down for other environments too. May take a bit of extra effort.

    I would go for option 1 because I'd want to be the owner of the most downloaded plugin on WordPress.

  15. WPyogi
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Just whether Microsoft has trademark, patents or copyrights on the "look" and "Word" that might be relevant - I dunno, but probably worth looking into it a bit. (Ugh...)

  16. Just whether Microsoft has trademark, patents or copyrights on the "look" and "Word" that might be relevant - I dunno, but probably worth looking into it a bit. (Ugh...)

    Ahh yes. What, you think 'ole Bill would want to hinder a competitors progress??

    I would go for option 1 because I'd want to be the owner of the most downloaded plugin on WordPress.

    :) Agreed. I think this is what I will do. However, it just occurred to me that this would be a direct competitor of my own PRO version of Ultimate Tinymce.. lol. It's a conundrum ;)

  17. leejosepho
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Just whether Microsoft has trademark, patents or copyrights on the "look" and "Word" that might be relevant - I dunno, but probably worth looking into it a bit. (Ugh...)

    Debian, Open Office and other look-alikes do not seem to have a problem there, but I have no idea what the details might be.

    I would go for option 1 because I'd want to be the owner of the most downloaded plugin on WordPress.

    That sounds about right to me, and I am sure I am not the only one who tries to help make sure the authors of free plugins and others can afford all the coffee they can drink.

    Keep us posted. Looks good.

  18. Andrew Nevins
    Barrel Rider, Spam Zapper & Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    but I have no idea what the details might be.

    Some detail here http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/Trademarks/EN-US.aspx , but I can only find information regarding logos.

  19. WPyogi
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    What, you think 'ole Bill would want to hinder a competitors progress??

    Ha Ha - nah, he's now become a philanthropist!

    Maybe I'm just too cynical...but IP lawyers are pretty aggressive (not to mention rich) - and it'd be horrible to run into a mess down the road.

  20. Man... thanks for the research, guys!!

    Yeah, I don't think I would be violating based on it's "appearance". I mean, we see "generics" all the time... mimicking the original. As long as I don't use any registered trademarks or logos... I think it will be okay.

    This is how we make advancements, right? ;)

  21. Krishna
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    @Josh,
    Leave everything like intellectual property rights, trademarks and patent rights issues to me. I will take care of bill and others. My services are also open source. I have been a lawyer for a few years. I left the trade only when my clients understood their follies. Anyway, let me hunt down my old moth-eaten law books. Book me now, unless you want to allow the millions wash down the drain.

  22. Hi Krishna,

    I am quite familiar with corporate law regarding patents and trademarks myself... but only because of a few ventures my father was involved.

    I'm sure you know way more.. and have much more experience than I. I'm just saying I'm not completely "green" :)

    Please feel free to use my contact form to send me a message.. and we can continue via email.

    Thank you!!

  23. leejosepho
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    This is how we make advancements, right? ;)

    Just be sure to stop a bit short of having your stuff installed on the computer assembly line...and maybe we will have gone as far as we need to go anyway!

  24. Krishna
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Its true of my old trade, but I was just joking. Any way, I will keep touch and we can exchange views.

  25. Just be sure to stop a bit short of having your stuff installed on the computer assembly line...and maybe we will have gone as far as we need to go anyway!

    Lol.. I know, right?!! It's a VERY fine line!

    Well.. I have a little more work to do on it.. but I certainly appreciate everyones feedback and time! It is moments like this that truly define "community"!

    I'll be back soon :)

  26. Andrew Nevins
    Barrel Rider, Spam Zapper & Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Will the plugin deal with the general problems of copying and pasting Microsoft Word's formatting into WordPress? You know, those formatting issues people get?

  27. Not currently.

    However, this is also on our "project table". We have already included a new button for uploading a word doc. We are going to take either the .pdf or the .html version.. and run it through our own conversion scripts before inserting the output into the content editor.

    The output will still have some "problem areas"... but hopefully it will be much better than what's currently available in core.

  28. Andrew Nevins
    Barrel Rider, Spam Zapper & Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 8 months ago #

    Hi Josh, how are you?

    I was just curious as to how this project has progressed. I checked the demo site and can't see the editor anymore as I remember it.

    I did notice how the "Ribbon" skin for TinyMCE has been released: http://tinymce.swis.nl/ - Is this related to you?

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