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[resolved] conflict with theme? (40 posts)

  1. theconstantrambler
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hello,
    I installed this program and was about to go live with it when I looked at my site and it seems to have conflicted with my theme. I currently have iFeature 5 installed and when I installed this plug-in it caused a portion of the background to disappear. It went back to normal the second I deactivated the plug in.
    Is there a known issue here? I don't know how to show what the issue is because the site is unusable when it's installed.

    http://www.theconstantrambler.com

    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/displet-pop/

  2. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Disable all other plugins and see if the problem still exists. If it fixes it, enable them one by one until you find the offending plugin. If not, then activate a stable theme (2011 or 2012) and see if that fixes it. If so, I it's a theme problem. Let us know which issue it is and if you have hacked the offending theme or plug in.

  3. theconstantrambler
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I did some troubleshooting after this comment and did all that you said above. It appears to be a conflict with this theme and your plugin and what you both use as place holder for data. I'm not great with programming in WP, but I am familiar with core concepts so I'm going to try to explain it as best as I can. If you would like I can email you some screenshots.

    The iFeature theme has two active widget sections: Footer and R sidebar. Even though there is no L Sidebar in the there, it's listed there in the widgets section on the top right. The box appears inactive at first glance, but apparently is a placeholder for certain styling in the theme. Specifically the backdrop (not the background but the backdrops for each picture and post) and some of the sizing scripts. If you go to my site the "backdrops" are the white boxes behind each post and image in the sidebar and in the feature boxes at top. When I install Displet Pop, the plugin uses this same placeholder location but overwrites it with the data for displet pop. The instant the plugin is activated the theme dumps the backdrops and related formatting and it whacks out the sight.

    I hope that made sense, if not a couple screenshots I can email you would make it really easy to understand. The question here is this then. Is there another widget area that displet pop can be assigned to in place of the L Sidebar?

    I'm currenlty using a different pop-up plugin that I hate and would really love to use yours.

    Thanks
    Kenin
    http://www.theconstantrambler.com

  4. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Thanks for the detailed response. We will look at it Monday and see if there is something we can do better. Bear in mind that there is zero quality control with regards to theme and plugin development, so we can't always make our plugin play nicely with a poorly written theme or plugin, but we will do our best.

  5. theconstantrambler
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Oh I understand where you are coming from completely. The iFeature theme is pretty popular though (the newest theme version has over 500K downloads already) and I know they won't agree that it's a theme problem, they'll just blame the plug in since they are the bigger guy in this situation. It's what happens when you get so many developers in the same space trying to come up with creative solutions. Every once in a while they bump heads. It might be as simple as assigning the widget box that you are using to a different space or placeholder, but as I said before, I don't know enough about WP to know if that's even viable. Let me know if you want a couple of screenshots and I'll send 'em to ya.

    Thanks
    Kenin

  6. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Sounds good and thanks for understanding. We'll take a look on Monday and let you know.

  7. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

  8. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    I looked through the theme and could not find any reason they should conflict - the sidebars are definitely not given the same ID that ours is given. Can you send over a screenshot? That will greatly help me understand precisely what's happening.

  9. theconstantrambler
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Sure, give me an email address and I'll send you the shots.

  10. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Send it to dev@displet.com

  11. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Also, check out http://jingproject.com when you have a second. Killer for screenshots. It lets you drop links like this: http://screencast.com/t/Q9Vjrv25R

  12. theconstantrambler
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Sent ya the shots. I'll take a look at that other page when I get the chance.

  13. iseehow
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I'm having a similar problem with the u-design theme at themeforest.
    http://themeforest.net/item/udesign-wordpress-theme/full_screen_preview/253220

    It's pretty much a similar conflict.
    http://screencast.com/t/lpHtZnUm8J
    http://screencast.com/t/39WEA3fLXUza

  14. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    There's zero quality control at Themeforest, so we stopped looking into issues there about 6 months ago - it was driving us insane. Sorry we can't help with it.

  15. iseehow
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Understandable. Can you update this thread while addressing the previous persons concern so I can maybe track down the same issue?

  16. Japh
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi Displetdev,

    Sorry to hear you've had trouble with themes on ThemeForest. We certainly have more than "zero quality control", in fact our review process is improving all the time. Unfortunately, some older themes may not meet our current standards (and we're working on this too).

    If you've had issue with specific themes, I'd be more than happy to assist with getting them resolved from the theme side where possible.

  17. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi Japh

    You can read more about the bad practice that we've found prevalent in your themes (and fortunately not ever from any other theme authors or resellers) at http://theandystratton.com/2011/shortcode-autoformatting-html-with-paragraphs-and-line-breaks.

    We have no affiliation with that author.

    You could employ quality control by removing all the themes which engage in the bad practice specified in the article above.

    Plugins are dependent on WordPress' auto-formatting working as it was written or being properly removed. Plugins encounter issues when that formatting has instead been replaced with some unwise theme developer's re-invention of it. Such a re-invention (which is putting nicely) is most likely the result of a falsely perceived flaw of the regular formatting, a lack of research into how auto-formatting conflicts should be properly handled, and a lifetime of bad coding practices.

    I have not further investigated the cause of the above issues, nor determined them to be a direct result of the aforementioned bad practice - rather, the topic presented here is only to help shed some light on why we tell our clients, "Avoid ThemeForest like the plague."

  18. Japh
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi Displetdev,

    We're well aware of this bad practice, and it is actually a big motivator behind our push for better review standards. We also have plans to re-review our entire theme catalogue to stamp this out entirely.

    In the meantime, I'm now actively pursuing any reported themes that utilise this practice to help ease the pain it causes developers like yourself.

    If you have specific examples, please contact me so I can help get them resolved, which means you don't need to contend with it, and we all end up with happy customers :)

  19. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi Japh -

    I'm glad to hear that you guys are aware of the issue & taking measures to correct it. I'm also glad to hear that you're implementing some quality control measures. Do you have any guidelines that developers must adhere to, and if so, what are the repercussions if developers don't follow those guidelines? When (not if) a site owner approaches us w/ the issue we've identified, what steps should we take to notify you of the issue? How do you plan to resolve the issue? Can the site owner expect a refund?

    We've fixed (and charged to fix) 3 or 4 Themeforest themes in the past few months, and I can't recall all of the URLs off the top of my head. We did some work recently to http://www.austinpropertiesgroup.com/ (and we fixed the short code issue on it ~6 months ago or so.) I'm not sure if the short code issue has been fixed in your repo, but it definitely existed in past versions.

    The common issue with TF themes seems to be bloat. We commonly see TF themes that are 10mb+ (sometimes 20mb+) when a well written WP theme can easily be <1mb. If you want to identify poorly written themes, I would filter by size and start looking at the larger folder sizes.

    Thanks for your engagement here. We're truly happy to hear that you're aware of these issues and are actively attempting to rectify them.

  20. Japh
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Historically we haven't made our guidelines particularly public, however, we're aiming to release a list of submission requirements in the not-too-distant future.

    If they're not met, the theme is sent back to the author to rectify the issues. If an existing theme is found to not adhere to the requirements, the author is contacted to rectify the issue. So if a site owner identifies an issue with a theme not meeting the requirements, they should contact Envato support, who will determine the best course of action from there.

    We'll continue to improve the requirements as time goes on too. Size is an interesting one, and something we need to think more on.

  21. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Are you guys writing tests to check new & past themes, or are you relying on user feedback to identify issues?

  22. Japh
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Until the final requirements are signed off, announced, and we begin our re-review project, we're relying on user feedback.

    However, our current requirements are good, the issue is predominantly older themes.

  23. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Not to be argumentative, but putting that on users is pretty much "zero quality control." No problems are identified until the themes are paid for and released into the wild to wreak havoc.

  24. Japh
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Perhaps I wasn't clear:
    * Currently we review all themes that are submitted

    Shortly:
    * We're making some modifications to the requirements for the current review
    * We'll be beginning a re-review of existing themes

    In the meantime:
    * If a user comes across an older theme that doesn't meet our requirements, as they have always been able to, they can report it and we will address it

    That isn't "zero quality control". In fact, it's as much quality control as is on WordPress.org's theme directory (though I don't believe there's a re-review process there yet either).

  25. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Great. So the following themes break WP's shortcode API (or they have in the past):

    http://themeforest.net/item/arctica-responsive-wordpress-theme/2256852
    http://themeforest.net/item/modernize-flexibility-of-wordpress/1264247
    http://themeforest.net/item/trine-responsive-wordpress-theme/1323795

    What's the next step here? I assume you guys will test to verify that this is an issue, right? Then suspend sales until the issue is rectified, after it's confirmed?

  26. Japh
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Precisely :) I'll log these issues now and draw them to the attention of the review team, who will confirm the issue, and if confirmed will suspend sales and contact the author to resolve the issue.

  27. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    I have a recent copy of Arctica, so tried to install it out of curiosity. Here's what happened: http://screencast.com/t/FLgsjWxvY While there's no explicit statement from WP that themes should be a certain file size, this is a pretty good indication of their opinion on the subject. Arctica is ~13X the max size for backend upload.

  28. Japh
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi Displetdev,

    I've just checked the size of the Arctica theme's ZIP file, and it's only 2.5MB, which doesn't seem overly excessive to me. That also includes a bundled plugin.

    I assume you're referring to the entire downloaded ZIP file from the marketplace, which also contains any documentation, PSD files, etc. which aren't part of the theme itself.

  29. theconstantrambler
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hey, Just wanted to follow up here with the original issue. any luck at resolving it?

  30. displetdev
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hey - sorry for our delay on this. We're working on a plugin to fix the common problem identified here, and will update you when it's ready.

    ~EB

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