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[resolved] Can I use this plugin without changing post types? (17 posts)

  1. Mike McKoy
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I use the old version. I'd like to use the new one except it destroys SEO and permalink structure which takes months to overcome. The PR and page authorityis destroyed forever.

    Can I now use the new plugin in the old fashion without desroying such things? Would be a problem if 301 redirected to the new page types.

    http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/the-events-calendar/

    I'd like to keep my post types as they are now in the blog. http://incrowdusa.net

  2. jonahcoyote
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi mykkal,

    No, using the new version, you must switch things over to use the new post type otherwise the plugin will not work. You will need to configure things yourself to retain all the SEO and such you've setup. Good luck!

    - Jonah

  3. Mike McKoy
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I see. No, this plugin isn't ready for enterprise level environments. PCI compliance (federal law) requires any internet upgrade to 301 redirect changed permalinks as a part of the upgrade process to be compliant. PCI is all about minimizing security risks and disruptions to service.I couldn't get a change control to even test it. It shows promise too :(

    Please reconsider your position... I can't use the product as is. I'm betting most other enterprise level clients can't as well.

    Lastly it makes no sense for things to be painful for legacy users (real supporters) versus new users. We are your base and it is very responsible to make any upgrade process easy and safe. It seems only new users can enjoy your product without adversely affecting their environment. Your current structure, destroys SEO, authority, inbound, links, and ultimately would destroy the Google Pagerank for upgrading websites. A site like ours which is only events posted in blog form would be utterly devastated. Your plugin would make upgrading event promoters harder to find. Hopefully the developer will think about this.

  4. roblagatta
    Modern Tribe Support
    Plugin Author

    Posted 1 year ago #

    Thanks for the note here, mykkal. We appreciate your feedback on this and you taking the time to give us an overview of your thoughts on this.

    I do want to clear up a couple misconceptions here, though...mainly your claim that this plugin needs to be PCI compliant per federal law. If you check out this PCI Compliance Guide (http://www.pcicomplianceguide.org/) it specifies that:

    PCI applies to ALL organizations or merchants, regardless of size or number of transactions, that accepts, transmits or stores any cardholder data. Said another way, if any customer of that organization ever pays the merchant directly using a credit card or debit card, then the PCI DSS requirements apply.

    However, since The Events Calendar doesn't involve financial transactions of any kind, it does not fall into that category.

    You do make an excellent point about 301 redirects, though. While we didn't have these in place for sites jumping from 1.x -> 2.0 (which was more than a year ago at this point), we are incorporating them for the impending 3.0 release.

    Regarding your broader point about the switch from events as posts to a custom post type: this was a conscious decision we made based on feedback from the community and trends we saw regarding where the industry was going. Custom post types were increasingly the norm at the time we made this switch and we found users would by and large prefer to treat their events as a separate, custom post type loop that they could then integrate back into the main loop as they wanted to. The current releases offer a tutorial for how to do this; once 3.0 releases, there will be a setting that allows you to have your events appear in the main blog loop as well, to help users in your position recreate that original behavior as they see fit.

    Hope this helps, and sheds some light on the process. I apologize on behalf of the whole team that the plugin in its current form wont meet your needs. Hopefully once 3.0 has launched, you'll be interested in giving things another shot. Best of luck finding a calendar solution in the interim and please let me know if you have any other questions, thoughts or concerns.

  5. Mike McKoy
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    When is 3.x expected?

  6. jonahcoyote
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi mykkal,

    We have no official ETA as of yet. Still working hard to iron our bugs, refine features, etc.

  7. Mike McKoy
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    OK, do you have a beta or release candidate some of us can test? Truthfully...i'm stuck using an old version of wordpress because we cannot upgrade and you're old plugin still work....

    Its painful

  8. jonahcoyote
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi mykkal,

    Yes, please email pro [at] tri [dot] be with a request to try out the beta.

    Thanks,
    Jonah

  9. Mike McKoy
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Any updates on progress of the beta? We'd like to upgrade our theme and change the layout without losing links to current posts on http://incrowdusa.net

  10. jonahcoyote
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Hi mykkal,

    The beta has been out for some time, did you ever email us to get a copy? I think at this point we may not be sending out copies of it anymore because we are getting very close to release!

    - Jonah

  11. Mike McKoy
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I just emailed today... Was waiting on the new theme to be finished first so we could test it. But could I tell the other we may need to wait a few more months...

    It has been three years since the structure changed.

  12. roblagatta
    Modern Tribe Support
    Plugin Author

    Posted 11 months ago #

    Hey mykkal. How are things working out with you on the 3.x codebase, now that the plugin has been released?

  13. Mike McKoy
    Member
    Posted 10 months ago #

    Hi there, i downloaded the plugin just today. Reading through the notes I don't see where 301 URL redirects are used to old URLs to the new post types.

    I also don't see where I could choose to keep the new formats. Please advise. I'd really like to implement our new theme sometime next month.

  14. Mike McKoy
    Member
    Posted 10 months ago #

    Hello? Did you get my last response? We were waiting to hear back from you there's no documentation of URL redirects to the new post types

  15. Barry Hughes
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 10 months ago #

    Hi mykkal,

    Hello? Did you get my last response?

    Yes we did! However, we only scan this forum approximately once per week as we have a huge volume of support requests and really have to prioritize our customers over on the tri.be forum - though we are of course keen to help here, too :-)

    Reading through the notes I don't see where 301 URL redirects are used to old URLs to the new post types.

    So I don't actually believe we have anything in place that will automatically form 301 redirects from events stored as regular WP posts (as in the original The Events Calendar release) to their more modern custom post type equivalents. There are however numerous plugins out there that you could use to help automatically manage redirects and so that could be worthy of further investigation.

    Last but by no means least:

    I also don't see where I could choose to keep the new formats.

    I'm not really sure what you mean by keeping the new formats ... can you elaborate?

  16. Mike McKoy
    Member
    Posted 10 months ago #

    OK Barry,
    I need you to read the post from five months ago by roblagatta.

    You do make an excellent point about 301 redirects, though. While we didn't have these in place for sites jumping from 1.x -> 2.0 (which was more than a year ago at this point), we are incorporating them for the impending 3.0 release.

    You guys had me wait all this time for nothing? Damnit! Listen to your subscribers, build upgrade tools like a responsible software company! There ARE NOT plenty of tools that handle that. You're changing thousands of permalinks (do you know what a permalink is?) to a custom post type destroying well establish domain authority and the PR ranking of sites that used the plugin before you implemented custom post types.

    You guys promised a feature and didn't freaking deliver. Again... What an amateur move! WTH!!!!

  17. Barry Hughes
    Member
    Plugin Author

    Posted 10 months ago #

    Hi mykkal,

    I think, unfortunately, there was a misunderstanding and that regrettably means we've let you down here - for which we can only apologise. I did indeed read Rob's post but I think perhaps there was some confusion and perhaps, regrettably, some amount of miscommunication within the team. Ultimately, what Jonah wrote ~6 months back remains valid:

    You will need to configure things yourself to retain all the SEO and such you've setup.

    On a practical level what this means is that you will need to settle on your own solution for catching requests to the old event URLs and redirecting them to their new permalinks. There are indeed numerous plugins out there that can help with the process but if you can't find any which are suitable for your particular situation then it may be you need to develop a custom solution of your own to cope with this.

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