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[closed] Call to ban MaxBlogPress plugins (21 posts)

  1. Storyman
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Just downloaded a MaxBlogPress plugin. The problem isn't with the plugin. In fact it is a half-decent plugin. What MaxBlogPress does is require you to activate the plugin, but in a way unlike any other plugin.

    After you click the button to activate the plugin you are sent a confirmation email. When you click the confirmation link you are taken to a high pressure sales letter.

    Typically, I refuse signing up for 'newsletters' (that are really a sales message), but somehow ended up receiving the MaxBlogPress 'newsletter' anyway. After the first spam arrived I unsubscribed. Maybe that will put a stop to their 'newsletters'--we'll see.

    I don't mind that developers ask for donations. After all they have worked hard and their contributions are valued. What I don't like is being confronted with high pressure sales pitches and 'newsletters' that are really spam.

    Because of this developers high pressure sales tactics the plugin has been deleted.

    Hopefully, WordPress agrees that this type of manipulation is unwelcome and MaxBlogPress high pressure sales tactics are unwanted in the WP community.

  2. mikey1
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Hi all, well just a word in defense of maxblogpress. After reading these forums for sevsral weeks, I really feel its time to speak up for these plugin developers. A lot of work goes in to these add ons, and we all benefit, at least the above poster had the grace to admit that he got a half decent plugin, so whats the problem, you had to register and sign up for a newsltter, thats all, and unsubscribed.
    I expect you'll use the plugin though, personally all the plugins from maxblogpress have worked very well indeed for me, and I'm very grateful, as I don't have the skills to write them.
    So, thanks wordpress, and plugin developers, oh, and yes.
    Thanks forum volunteers, who do a great job. :)

  3. Joni
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    The only problem I have with that tactic, and probably the OP will agree, is that you aren't warned about that ahead of time. If there's something prominent on the plugin developer's web site about it and I click through anyway, then I'm aware.

    I understand completely how hard plugin developers work. I'm a WordPress plugin junkie myself. And I've always considered them the unsung heroes of WP. But I believe in truth in advertising. Perhaps if more people were like me and hit the plugin developers' paypal links or amazon wish list links more often, they wouldn't need to resort to these tactics. :-)

  4. mikey1
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I agree entirely thatanyone should be forewarned when they are required to register for anything, I think wea are all now are aware (hopefully) that our email addresses are constantly being harvested for commercial use.With the case of Max blog, his newsletter has
    actually been useful, his plugins also excellent.
    I also agree that we really should support these developers more, I will certsinly be using paypal more in future.
    good luck all. :)

  5. Storyman
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Theme developers also contribute a great deal to WordPress, but they have restrictions--as should plugin developers.

    Both plugin and theme developers add great value to WordPress and should recognized as such. The problem with MaxBlogPress' approach is the lack of disclosure.

    MaxBlogPress' developer probably recognizes that if the plugin was offered in the reverse order few people would sign up. In other words if the user had to deal with the sales page first, then the newsletter, then the confirmation email, then download the plugin fewer users would bother. This is why MaxBlogPress has to use deceptive practices.

    I can't help but to think that someone using such a high pressure sales page will eventually end up selling the email addresses collected to spammers when he realizes that his other products don't sell well. Maybe he won't sell the emails and will just become associated with a company that does--it's really amounts to the same thing in the end--more spam email.

    If MaxBlogPress wants to use high pressure sales pages he should be entitled, so long as he/she is upfront and reverses the download page by starting with the high pressure sales page. However, it should be eliminated from the plugins listed on the WP site.

    Yes, do use PayPal to reward developers. Do hire WP developers if you need a plugin or theme specifically developed for you.

    For now, I stand by the call to ban MaxBlogPress from distributing plugins on the WordPress site.

  6. Georg Kevin Paquet
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I agree with this one, I wondered like "huh" as I tried using this plugin, they could've at least added a few lines in the description of the plugin

  7. Tzetze
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    This site is a total pain in the buttocks. Even if you do try the link to unscubscribe, it won't let you. If you use the site that apparently is erm ... an anti spam policy...your email will not go through.

    Copyright © 1998-2008 AWeber Communications, Inc. All rights reserved. Reproduction strictly prohibited.
    No Spam Policy & Privacy Policy

    I have then just blocked their ip and email from my email gateways. Too much issue.

    Grrr...

  8. mikey1
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Thank you Tzetze.Member Since
    October 15, 2008 (4 hours)
    you're free to block who you want.

  9. Jayen
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I'm sorry, but to Call to ban MaxBlogPress plugins because of this is totally unfair. These guys make great plugins for free, seriously you can pay for far worse plugins. To expect people to do this stuff totally for free is just ignorant especially as these plugins are mostly aimed at people who blog to make money! You want to make money from blogging, but don't expect the people who programed your plugins to make any money?

    As for Tzetze not being able to unsubscribe, that must have been some kind of error at the time, these guys aren't spamers.

    I use most of their plugins and have no problem receiving their newsletter, it's more than a far exchange.

    Jayen

  10. Aw Guo
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    No need to ban if there's only spam newletters - If you really hate it, just filter it in your GMail inbox.

    Anyway, DDDP is a good plugin indeed.

  11. jmccoyfl
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    You might not like their tactics but they are Internet Marketers as well as plugin creators. The unstoppable plugin is a great way to put your optin box for an auto-responder in front of prospects which increases signups.

    They do offer a commercial plugin for marketers that includes a built in tracker and many other features that make monetization of a blog easier.

    As far as forced registration for the newsletter, I wasn't thrilled but I've stayed a subscriber for the tips and tricks that are shared. A quick scan lets me see if I'm interested before I delete it.

    There are many alternatives to many maxblogger plugins. I find the ping optimizer plugin very comforting to edited posts are repinged.

  12. Dwords
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I block MaxBlogPress spams from my email account.

    They're very pushy emails, proving that the person knows very little about 'marketing' although they claim to be an expert.

    Thankfully no other plugin author is known to do this. Please, plugin authors, do not start this bad habit, and thank you to all the others who contribute genuinely free & unencumbered plugins to the community. The sharing, open source spirit is what makes WordPress work.

    I don't know what 'banning' would mean. The person can make whatever plugins they want. It is very likely that this kind of plugin will eventually be removed from the official Plugins database http://wordpress.org/extend/ for the same kind of reasons that over 200 themes were removed from the Theme Directory a month ago, when Matt M. (the founder of WP) realized they were not compatible with the GPL license (or, the free philosophy of the authors of WP). In that case, those theme authors can still make their themes, and users may still choose to use them (or even buy them), but this website will not distribute those themes. They have to distribute it on their own website, if they want to include the objectionable stuff.

  13. Scraped Media
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Seriously i'd rather pay for the things than be signed up to spam lists and pitched offers i couldn't care less about. So i avoid Maxblogpress like the plague.

    I hope these things are pulled from the official WP repository, otherwise every marketer and his dog will start using wp.org as a marketing platform and render the resource useless.

  14. barbapapa
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    In fact and as usual this woulnt happen if all the plug and theme users would sometime sent 1 or 2 USD to the creator.
    But ... in fact "what the hell should I give them money for" when I can have it all for free ...
    But when you get spammed you come back and start crying by mama ...
    It's the way it goes today ...

  15. Scraped Media
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    If you want to make money, great build a plugin or theme, setup a landing page and sell it on your own website don't ride off the coat tails of the WP website.

    If you want to give away a theme or plugin and contribute to the Open Source nature of WordPress then submit it here.

    Simple no?

    WordPress don't ask you to signup, pay or jump through hoops to download WordPress so why the hell should developers be allowed to here?

  16. johnkolbert
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I agree with removal of all Maxblogpress' plugins from the WP.org repo. If he wants to keep them fine but I don't think they belong here. I wrote a blog post about it not too long ago:

    Why I Refuse to Use MaxBlogPress' WordPress Plugins

  17. GrandSlambert
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Personally, I would really hate to see these wonderful plugins removed from the site. I use many of them and the fact that I had to sign up to a newsletter did not bother me in the least. It cost me nothing to use these wonderful plugins that help me monetize my blogs. And you only have to sign up once to use every plugin they create.

    Plus, the newsletter I get from them has taught me a lot. I am an old developer (20+ years) and could probably write any of these plugins myself, but why? To save a few bytes in my inbox? Fact of the matter here is that they use aWeber to sign you up to a newsletter, and aWeber DOES NOT tolerate the use of the email lists created through their service to be SPAMmed. So you are protected by a third party - not that the wonderful people at MaxBlogPress would ever SPAM you anyway.

    And if you are that worried about getting SPAMmed, just create a free Yahoo or Gmail account and use that for signup. Problem solved!

  18. johnkolbert
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Yes, but they should be opt-in or at the very least opt-out. But there are no such options. They are register for the newsletter or don't use the plugin.

  19. GrandSlambert
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    So you feel that everything that anyone does, including apps to help you make money, should be free to use with no strings and no obligations? Would you use their plugins if you had to pay money for them before you get to try them out? Do you feel ShareWare is wrong?

    Bottom line people - it costs you nothing but a few clicks of the mouse to gain access to some very useful tools. If you can't afford that, find another plugin. Don't chastize them because they found a way to promote their service by giving you free stuff.

    How many of you have a "preferred customer" card at the grocery store? Did you give them your address on the registration form? How about at your favorite electornics store, like Best Buy or Office Depot? Oops, better stop doing that - they'll spam you and you won't even know it! How is this any different? Should we ban all of these customer loyalty programs too?

    I have never seen a high pressure sales page or anything when signing up for their newsletter, and you don't have to read their emails, and you can unsubscribe right away (barring any technical glitches). I was also never forced to pay one thin dime for any of their plugins, but I have purchased a few items from them that make my life easier and help me make money from my blog. If you want to make money from your blog, pony up first - you get nothing for free!

    I guess this thread is really just someone complaining because they can't get what they want handed to them on a silver platter. I will make this my last post here, because it's like trying to teach an old dog new tricks.

    Oh, and in case you are thinking it, I am NOT in any way affiliated nor do I have any connection with MaxBlogPress aside from a satisified user of their very wonderful plugins. Thank you, and good night.

  20. Scraped Media
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Personally, I would really hate to see these wonderful plugins removed from the site. I use many of them..

    Why not bookmark his site?

    So you feel that everything that anyone does, including apps to help you make money, should be free to use with no strings and no obligations? Would you use their plugins if you had to pay money for them before you get to try them out? Do you feel ShareWare is wrong?

    Let this one slip through and watch what happens, every internet marketer under the sun will be submitting plugins where you have to sign up to spam lists.

    So you are ok for the WP Repo to wind up like that, where you can't get a plugin without signing up to spam lists, visiting a string of sites?

    What next, send the user to a landing page to complete a survey which earns the author a couple of bucks because it costs you nothing right? How about make them install a "free" toolbar before downloading the plugin?

    Heard the saying, give them an inch and they will take a mile?

    If the line is not drawn soon, watch what happens.

  21. Samuel Wood (Otto)
    Tech Ninja
    Posted 5 years ago #

    This is not a particularly useful thread.

    If you have a problem with the way any plugin works, or feel that it's somehow violating the rules, then you need to report it here: http://wordpress.org/report-bugs/

    That will bring it to the attention of people who will make the decision on it. Bottom line: It's their call.

    Closed.

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