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[closed] Browse Happy: But don't sell to the converted (38 posts)

  1. karan
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    One thing I've noticed a fair bit around the web is all them firefox buttons. And now WordPress is supporting Browse Happy, we'll see a whole lot of Browse Happy buttons around. All good.

    But how about not selling to the converted? If the target market is Internet Explorer users, how about only showing the "Get Firefox" or "Browse Happy" buttons to them, since the ones using a non-IE browser have already been converted and are 'browsing happily'? =)

    And it's possible - using IE's proprietary conditional statements, we can make it so only IE users see the message, and those converted can live free. The only thing I'm not sure about is the XHTML validity of the statements, but since they're technically comments it should ignore it.

    A rudimentary guide to the tags can be found here: http://www.javascriptkit.com/howto/cc2.shtml (it's not actually javascript, that's just a google hit).

    Basically, it would be formatted something like:

    <!--if [gte IE 5]
    // put Browse Happy/Get Firefox image or text here
    -->

    Thoughts?

  2. Just to play devil's advocate here, what's so bad about seeing one extra banner lying around, even though you are one of the "converted"?

  3. notthatugly
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    While ideologically opposed to browser-specific hacks and unnecessary javascript (mainly because I'm too lazy to bother) I did remove the 'get firefox' link from my wp-admin stylesheets, because they only work properly in firefox anyway.

  4. karan
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    macmanx, it's simply not necessary. you wouldn't go to convert Christians to Christianity; why bother pushing Firefox to Firefoxians?

    notthatugly, it's not javascript, it's just a HTML comment modified so IE interprets it.

  5. why bother pushing Firefox to Firefoxians?

    Because I'm not trying to push Firefox on Firefoxians, I'm trying to push Firefox on non-Firefoxians. Unfortunately, the Firefoxians will see that tiny little button as a by-product.

    Consider this:

    You own an Apple iPod, yet while driving down your local freeway, you see an Apple iPod billboard. Do you call Apple and suggest that find a system which prevents iPod owners from seeing this billboard? At least the images I use are 80x15.

  6. eveums
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I think the bothersomeness of the FF link depends on the type of website. If it is commercial, and you know that many of your users/customers have FF, and they continue to see a "use FF" button on your website, it could indicate to your customer, "Wow, s/he doesn't know me very well... why am I being asked to do something I've already done?"

    Obviously, that's a pretty broad hypo, but there's at least one instance where a website owner might want to tailor the type of messages his viewers see.

  7. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    "I think the bothersomeness of the FF link depends on the type of website."

    Since the issue is about the Firefox icon/link in the *admin* pages, what is presented to ones readership is not really a concern here.

  8. injinuity
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I am against all sorts of browser sniffing,

    The whole web is in disarray only because of this, in the intial days there were just I.E and Netscape... so all the code was based on identifying the browser and supplying each browser a diff code based on the identification but alas since then there are more browsers and this has made the issure more complicated...

  9. Firas
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Do you call Apple and suggest that find a system which prevents iPod owners from seeing this billboard?

    This is more analogous to turning on your ipod and being told onscreen that you should really get an ipod.

  10. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    "This is more analogous to turning on your ipod and being told onscreen that you should really get an ipod."

    Only if we're talking about Firefox itself inserting a "download Firefox" link everywhere you browse.

  11. idbehold
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I think its more like a Dell computer coming with the 'Designed for Microsoft Windows XP' sticker on it.

  12. karan
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    just a suggestion, sheesh.

    It just makes more sense to me to not bother with the Firefox buttons in Firefox. It just bugs me to see it over and over when I already have it. Think of a typical user - "ok I got firefox, now what? they're still telling me to get firefox! What's the point, it's no different." It's different to the iPod billboard because we can do something about this, as opposed to the billboard. I'd love a billboard to looked to me as an ipod owner, "Hey cool you got an iPod. Here's some stuff you can buy for it now!"

    And obviously people have a difference of opinion regarding the use of browser-specific code. Doesn't bother me, honestly, if it subtly alters the experience as necessary - how is this any different to the CSS box model hacks? Not much. Someone, give me a convincing argument against it (like "It's not XHTML Valid" or "It still shows in Broswer Y when it shouldn't" or "it breaks accessability guidelines") and I'll not use it.

    Kafkaesqui, I was offering this as a more general suggestion than just the admin pages.

  13. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 9 years ago #

    "Kafkaesqui, I was offering this as a more general suggestion than just the admin pages."

    Then perhaps I didn't understand.

    In regards to WP I don't have a problem with a browser check hiding overt advertising depending on which one I'm using. It's a tweak that won't affect functionality nor in any way impact my use of WordPress. So as suggestions go, it's not one I'm compelled to take a stand against.

    If aimed at site admins (in general), it's really up to those folk. Again this doesn't affect anything of importance to me, so I leave it to other site admins to see its merit (or not).

    On my site...I'm not just coercing non-Firefox users into dowloading it. I'm also letting visitors know *my* preferred browser, while subtly noting that my blog--though it should work in other browsers--was designed with Firefox in mind. In other words: I have a button-ized link to Firefox on my pages because I like Firefox, and I want people to know it.

  14. Karel
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    When I am browsing with FF and I see that nice button that urges me to download FF, I swell with pride and happiness, and know I have made the right choice. Please keep that button in. However, when I am browsing with IE ...

  15. Shirohagen
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    What about "Buy a Mac" logos for PC users...

    :-)

  16. clkung
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Can anyone advise how to remove the Browse Happy button ? thank you.

  17. petit
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I absolutely agree with Karel. On my Windows system the FF browser works beautifully, and I am happy. I find it so valuable to plug for it, that I'm happy to see as many FF buttons popping up.

    Now, this is not a flame thing and MSIE is a good piece of work too. Some day maybe MS is coming to their senses and beat FF. I do remember the time when Netscape was forming the web experience and when IE came along, the Communicator was far ahead for a few years. Then it nearly died and MSIE took the lead.

    It's no longer the case and what we must hope for are a few really standards compliant browsers, requiring no forked Javascript code and no workarounds for lousy XHTML or CSS adherence.

  18. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 8 years ago #

    To remove.

    File: wp-admin/admin-functions.php
    Lines: 1589 - 1600
    Remove this
    function browse_happy() {
    $getit = __('WordPress recommends a better browser');
    echo '
    <p id="bh" style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://browsehappy.com/" title="'.$getit.'"><img src="images/browse-happy.gif" alt="Browse Happy" /></a>

    ';
    }
    if (strstr($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'MSIE'))
    add_action('admin_footer', 'browse_happy');

    function documentation_link($for) {
    return;
    }

    That removes the 'Browse Happy' logo.

    (Lines numbers refer to WP2.0)

  19. Joni
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I can't stand it another minute. Browse Happy doesn't just mean Firefox. What gave anyone that idea? It means a standards compliant browser, such as Mozilla, Firefox, Opera or Safari.

    http://browsehappy.com/browsers/

  20. Blythe
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Also, having that button isn't just an advertisement. It's a statement of identity; saying that you support it. It's like carrying the "Vote Kerry" signs at a Democratic convention. You do it to show you're proud and excited to be around like-minded people, not just to convert others. Christians wear crosses partly to identify themselves to other Christians. Same goes for Firefox ads, in my mind.

  21. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Tub-thumping aside, anyone who wants to remove it has only to follow podz' very clear instructions above.

    Personally, I prefer to post my FF pref with a button of my own on my sites. Putting a FF or BH button in the dashboard doesn't get it for me. But then, the first thing I do with any install is whack the dashboard to a bare nothing anyway.... or install wp-dash....

  22. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 8 years ago #

    Simply, if you look at the code podz listed above, look for this one line:

    add_action('admin_footer', 'browse_happy');

    and comment it out:

    // add_action('admin_footer', 'browse_happy');

    That'll do.

  23. marzar00
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Before anyone else comments here please read: http://www.blogs.pixel2life.com/2005/12/19/too-cool-for-ie-or-too-stupid-get-over-it/trackback/ this is the most logical thought on this whole stupid war. Personally I use Avant Browser, a shell for IE. I do sometimes (once a month) open FF and see what you 'rebels' see my site like (it doesn't look very good). I do try to code for both, however FF does have its downfalls, like widths, IE understands that my page is the size of my screen, FF doesn't and thinks it is 6 pages wide!

    $getit = __('WordPress recommends a better browser');
    Does WP actually recommend a better browser then FF when i see this button in FF?

  24. marzar00
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    What no comments from anyone!

  25. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Why comment on a blatant antagonism?

  26. petit
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Oh yes marzar00! thanks for the pointer! It's an excellent article and I'll most certainly recommend it anywhere a war over browsers pops up.

  27. marzar00
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    @ petit,

    It has finished at lot of wars i have seen around the place.

    @ vkaryl,

    its not antagonism, its just an effort to stop this stupid 'Get Firefox' drive that is really annoying many web users. I was once a regular visitor to a major site that i was very keen of, however, now that they don't support IE i don't even remember the URL! This is a stupid war and if it doesn't stop we will see many popular sites crumble due to lack of IE support (remember it is only the Webbies who really have upgraded to FF).

    What i am trying to say is stop single browser coding and at least put an effort in to code for all of the browsers.

    Marzar

  28. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    *rolls eyes* marzar00: I have been coding all-browser compliant sites for years. I make quite decent money as a designer, making sure I produce sites which view as intended cross-browser. Your "article" is pointed at sites which specify for one browser. There's really not much of that around where I hang out.... so I consider it an antagonism.

    Most people on this forum don't specifically code for any given browser. Your whole post was an antagonism - perhaps from the other direction, but an antagonism nonetheless.

  29. Kafkaesqui

    Posted 8 years ago #

    Let's try to keep in mind the (topic of this thread) "Browse Happy" graphic/link that appears to IE users in the footer of WP admin pages is just that, and does not in any way limit the ability of anyone using IE to work with WordPress.

  30. marzar00
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    @ vkaryl,

    Thats fair enough.

    I do occasionally use FF and when i do, to quote a post before:

    $getit = __('WordPress recommends a better browser');

    Does WP actually recommend a better browser then FF when i see this button in FF?

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