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Blog to the Future Part II (10 posts)

  1. lbyrne
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    I like WordPress. Very simple, easy on the eyes, I am against program bloat too! I would hate to see WordPress turn into a TYPO3 CMS variant. Now then...

    I just do not understand why the authors of WordPress prevent future dated posts from appearing until the specified date.

    In the original blog-to-the-future thread, someone called this a *feature*. It is, but it is too restrictive for a function which calls itself a calendar.

    A posting which is written today and appears only on a future date assumes that you have very specific information about the future: e.g., a person could forward date a post for someone's birthday *Happy Birthday* and have it appear on the site on that date, so when the birthday-ee visited the site on her b-day, voila, fresh content.

    This is all fine and dandy but seriously, how useful is a calendar which does not keep and display relavent information for future dates? This should at the very least be an admin option.

    Seems to me that if you do away with future dating, the calendar becomes decorative. Following WordPress logic of removing extraneous code for elegance and simplicity--the calendar should be removed, because it serves a redundant function alongside chronological archives.

    Please correct me where I'm wrong, but also sate my curiosity, what would it harm to display future posts? And why make it difficult to do so?

  2. lbyrne
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Pardon moi:

    >A posting which is written today and appears only on a future date assumes that:

    1. You have specific information about the future and...
    2. Nobody else should know about this information until the future date.

    The latter item being most significant. By removing the ability display future-dated posts, you effectively cut the functionality of the calendar in half.

    It baffles me that *programmers* would regress the capability of something so proven and simple as a calendar.

  3. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Well, you have some good points there - until you stop to consider a couple of things:

    1. A blog by some definitions is a very CURRENT thing. It's a diary (by definition, a daily record); it's also a commentary (by definition, a current viewpoint).

    2. While those who would like event-calendar functionality certainly exist (you, for instance) there are many more who don't even use the calendar which can be used with WP. And there are very nice event-calendar plugins, as well as other php scripts which can extend this "missing" functionality.

  4. lbyrne
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    vkaryl, I appreciate that WP is very extensible and there are many plugins out there. However...

    To allow display of future posts (plugins or not), WP core code needs to be hacked.

    This is unacceptable because when I upgrade WP, I need to remember every hack I made and re-implement the hacks (on new line numbers, with new code, in different files).

    This is why I need basic past-present-future calendar functionality, built-in.

  5. lbyrne
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    BTW, I do not dispute the intended purpose of WP. I do dispute WP's selective exclusion of it's own definition: A diary by definition is also, a record of events (not necessarily that day's events).

  6. Chris_K
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    As a counterpoint, if WP started showing my future-dated posts before that future date, I'd ditch it and move to a different blog package quite quickly.

    For moi, I future-date posts frequently -- perhaps I've had an idea at work, or I want to cover being on the road a few days yet keep a steady stream of posts trickling out. I sure don't want 'em seen early!

    Making that admin configurable would be useful, perhaps.

    So let's amend:

    This is why I need basic past-present-future calendar functionality, built-in.

    to include the word "configurable".

  7. niziol
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Not to perpetuate this exercise in rhetoric, but WordPress is not being selectively exclusionary about its 'definition' as the definition of record is "...evidence of/or information about past events." The key phrase is PAST events.

    A future event (ie. a birthday) can't be definitively predicted. If the person whose birthday you wanted to future post about passes on, then of course, it's not their birthday, but would have been their birthday, if they had still been living. With no birthday, there is no event to make record of.

    So, you see WordPress fits perfectly the definition of record of events or log or blog or diary.

    Use a plugin, make a feature request or do a hack yourself. WordPress does what WordPress should, as it should be done.

    Cheers,
    Michael.

  8. lbyrne
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Thankyou HandySolo yes, "configurable" is the word.

    niziol, perhaps a birthday was not the best example (it is still an event however) but I must disagree with you. WP is being selectively exclusionary with their self definition of "diary."

    As to what a record is:

    >"...evidence of/or information about past events."

    This is certainly not the definition as you put it, so much as a definition of "record."

    To record simply means preserve in writing or some other form, information. Record itself does not imply or even make an allusion to what that information is, let alone meta such as future, past, present.

    Similarly, the word event(s) makes no claims as to it's own information or meta, other than "something that takes place" or an "occurance."

    Furthermore, a calendar may contain these events which have no chronological significance in themselves. Events become useful information when they are applied to a system of reckoning time such as a calendar. This is why WP does not fit perfectly within it's own definition.

  9. lbyrne
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    BTW, current event calendar plugins still require hacking WP core code to display future dated posts. This is a feature request and AFAIK this is the correct topic category for this post:

    "WordPress Support ยป Requests and Feedback"

  10. 2shoes
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    We use a blog at work to keep track of production, and future date the post when the item is due. We wanted to use WP, but this is a serious impediment to that.

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