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[resolved] b2 style? (35 posts)

  1. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 11 years ago #

    Now that you're the official b2, any chance you'll be using some of the b2 styling for the admin side?
    I like the new feature ideas, but the admin page style is a big step backward.

  2. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 11 years ago #

    I'm sorry you don't like the new look of the admin interface. We are always improving the look and style of WordPress but it is unlikely it will head back in the direction of b2.

  3. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I do find this answer quite bad. Actually, i guess the whole web is about informations and look... The look and feel isn't something to take for useless. It often determines if a software will be used or not. B2 for sure is much more attractive than this black and white interface. Dunno if you think it's more professionnal, or if having an ugly interface can increase your credibility. I hope you dont.
    Anyway, i do understand why you say you dont wanna head back in the direction of b2, this would feel like a step back for you, but be sure that about the look and feel topic b2 is much more advanced.
    Maybe i should help in redesigning the whole project instead of dissing it, it would be much more creative and respectable attitude. I may do it, but for the moment i just cant determine if WordPress is just a branch of b2 that evolves along in the "ugly look&feel" direction or if it's a real evolution meaning b2 project is definitely stopped (and wordpress 0.71 == b2 0.71). If wordpress is the true evolution and b2 is stopped, this sadly means we'll have twice more work managing blogs: we'll now have to redesign even the admin interface instead of just caring about the blog;)
    Anyway, seems friends of mine installed this as cooperative diary.... i'll have to live with it and use your funeral-looking admin page, it'll drive me mad for sure ;)

  4. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 10 years ago #

    You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

  5. Cena
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I'm not sure why someone would choose a tool based simply on how 'pretty' the admin interface is. I personally find WP's minimalist design functional, intuitive, and elegant.
    That being said, I would suggest that in the 'Options' menu, 'Base Settings', 'General Blog Settings', and 'Other Options' be grouped together at the top of the list, left to right, in that order, as a general useability issue.
    Otherwise, as a brand-new user, I was able to quickly learn to navigate my way through the admin interface without reading any of the docs, which is something that can't be said for many other blog/CMS apps.

  6. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Be sure that b2 is as easy to browse and admin as wordpress.
    Anyway, my point on the topic was that i dont see the use of tricking with CSS and advanced html features if it's to make ugly grey interfaces where nothing catches the attention... Anyway, i guess it's a matter of taste. If ppl are happy with 50 years old interfaces that are as attractive as a linux commandline terminal, it's fine... Maybe should we unite and create a WordPress branch with nice looking interface...

  7. max
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    You don't need a new branch, just a new style sheet. That's the beauty of CSS, you can quickly and easily change the appearance by just adding changing the stylesheet.
    I may hack around a bit and create an alternative stylesheet or two, if I have some free time. I have no idea what the b2 interface looks like. If someone can post an example of it I might take some of its design into account.
    ps - I like the interface design, and the product as a whole, even if the admin screens are a dull grey. Keep up the good work!

  8. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I could definitely see well-done alternative stylesheets being made available officially on the site or in the distribution.

  9. Chris
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I don't like the way WP looks either. On my laptop the fonts were way to big. I took it upon myself to edit the style sheets and change the look. Such as the annoying 2px padding around the drop down list. I found some "plan" things hard to deal with. Like the fact that the buttons that "do" things are not a different color from general text fields. Also I edited the links colors as they were hard to see.. I also set the text of my "blog this!" button to a different color as I kept hitting the "preview" instead.
    I think WP could use a little more TLC when it comes to it's look. I don't mean heavy slow graphics. But black and white is a little bit boring and it doesn't set the fields that need to be noticed apart.

  10. Dougal Campbell
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Right now, we're concentrating on features, not style. Granted, we're making usability improvements along the way, but changing the overall look of the default install is not a top priority at the moment.
    That said, we certainly welcome any alternate style sheets that anyone would like to come up with. CSS is <b>not</b> hard to learn. If you were able to learn HTML, then you can certainly learn CSS. If you don't have time to learn CSS right now, then please be patient, one of our long-term goals is to eventually include some alternate stylesheets, whether created by the development team or contributed by users.
    So for now, if you don't like the default look of the admin interface, poke around in wp-admin/b2.css. You think the fonts are too big? Search for "font-size", and change it. Don't like the color scheme? Search for "color" and tint whichever elements you want to. Don't like the serif fonts? Search for "font-family".

  11. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Sure it's better to concentrate on features. May you just not forget that the look is something very important as it's what often brings popularity and larger range of users. Ugly softwares never lasted long or at least never gained lots of users. And about CSS, do not forget it's the best way to have issues with different browser... I work designing pages using CSS that have to be compatible with IE and netscape 4.x and the number of incompatibilities, missing features or unworking ones is huge... The rule is "what is possible in HTML is possible in CSS, features that CSS can do on the paper and HTML cant wont work fine with netscape" ;)))
    So use CSS2 as layout manager is a coders dream of differenciation between content and look. But it's just a dream since no Browser fully support the standard or at least most dont.

  12. codergurl
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I dislike the admin interface style too, but I still use WordPress. Just change the stylesheet yourself, it won't hurt. I promise. :P

  13. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    really, who cares about netscape 4 compatibility any more? only 1% of the net is still using it and they must be used to everything looking like hell.

  14. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I've changed the fonts back to Verdana (like b2 used) in my install. Feel free to grab a copy of my CSS if you want to.
    http://www.alexking.org/blog/wp-admin/wp-admin.css
    I left the original style in there (commented out) so you can see how minor the changes were.

  15. Chris
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    How about different style sheets available with WP and you pick your own color? Like some of the bulletin boards? Everyone seems to have their own little "style" going on.

  16. Cena
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Nice layout, alex. Thanks. :)

  17. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Chris, that is the idea - if people would contribute some stylesheets we'd have something to get started with.

  18. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    The admin page can be completely modded by style sheets very easily. Most of the changes are made only to color and fonts so feel free to revert it. I made mine more grey and less white and I still love the greyscale minimalist design...and Georgia rocks! (the font, not the state mind you!)

  19. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I see that most everyone in this forum would like to use WordPress with the looks of b2: http://wordpress.org/support/5/702

  20. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Err, I did not say everyone in this forum, I said "most everyone in this forum".

  21. otaku42
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    @the anonymous poster:
    Not that there is any weight in my words, but: personally I like the look and feel of WordPress. That's the reason why I didn't change much at the style of the default installation once I started blogging with WordPress.
    You can't meet everyone's taste. If the developers would change WordPress to look like b2, be sure there'd be a lot of people popping up in this forum complaining about the new look.
    Therefor I second what allusion says: if this look and feel thing is so important for you, you should go ahead and contribute a patch/new style sheet. If you don't find the time, stick with another solution (possibly another program) or wait until someone else made the necessary steps. That's the advantage of open source: you are free to contribute things you would like to see in a product. But this also includes that you can't demand anything... most open source projects are made during spare time. I guess this is also the case with WordPress, although I'm not sure about it.
    Last but not least: posting messages anonymously to a forum in they way you did (speakting for "almost everyone in this forum" just because you are not happy with the answers you received) isn't very helpful. Or let's say: your chances are better this way to be regarded as a moron.
    Don't get me wrong: it's not that I want to say you are a moron (possibly this impression could come up, but please keep in mind that I'm by far no native english speaker). What I want to say is that your contributions (even if they are just in the form of forum postings containing suggestions on how the developers could improve their products) would possibly be regarded more useful if you decided to register at the forum and give yourself a "face".
    Well, just my 0.02$
    Bye, Mike

  22. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Also, where I 'point' to a thread I started...I am not trying to 'convince' anyone of anything, I am mearly doing the Admins job as I now see that I should never have started another thread but included it in this one.
    Why the attitude regarding this, you can see 'most' users would like the old layout back so why not get off your arse(s) and make one, after all it is your product is it not?
    When I buy a car and ask for better wheels the garage do not make me fit them so why should you...
    It would be nice if YOU (as a company) did as your customers wanted, I rest my case.

  23. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 10 years ago #

    My point was not that we're not willing to add a feature if there is significant demand, but rather that I don't think this is an issue that most people feel is important. That is, most people don't care or actually feel the opposite of the opinion you're expressing. As time is a very limited resource as a developer I have to choose where to devote my time and ultimately this comes down to my personal judgement but that is heavily influenced by what features I think will benefit WordPress users as a whole. So, unless this is identified as a major issue, I'm not going to devote my time to bringing back the old b2 look.
    The beauty of open development and open source code is that you have the freedom to create such a style yourself if you are so inclined, or hire someone to do it, or modify the source in whatever way you see fit. This is a privilege anda right, exercise it.
    What you do not have is the right to make demands of any of the developer's time. When I said "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" I meant that in the context of a free, open-source project, demands are almost certainly ignored and polite requests are almost always considered.

  24. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    So, you don't think this is an issue that most people feel is important...
    wish - old b2 design - http://wordpress.org/support/5/241
    One thing that is stoping me switching - http://wordpress.org/support/5/393
    WordPress Design - http://wordpress.org/support/5/161
    b2 & WP Admin Sections... - http://wordpress.org/support/5/702
    b2 style? - http://wordpress.org/support/5/94
    And just to clear things up, I was not demanding anything, more enquiring as to why the design was so dull and would it at all be changed back to how b2 was.
    I understand the time constraints you have as do I, but as I and a lot of other people have stated that the b2 design was simply better.
    Personally I can not really see any 'read' changes that could not have been made using mods for b2.
    For instance the link manager, this is a mod for b2 is it not and can be freely installed. The only other things I see are how it is a little slower and drab looking.
    If it were not for the security fixes everyone is piping on about I would not be bothered and simply stick with b2.
    Please do not feel like I and demanding anything other than your ear, all I (and others) ask is that you look into adding the old design back or at least let use (as the users) choose from a drop down box or something.
    Regards.

  25. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    P.S. Thank you for removing my post to Mike (otaku42) the one who likes to call me a moron....
    sorry about that but I dislike being called a moron by someone that does not even know me.

  26. otaku42
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    @anonymous: read my post again (read it from beginning to the end, all the text). I mentioned something there about calling you a moron.
    Bye, Mike

  27. otaku42
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Ok, before things heat up too much, here is what I'm willing to offer: I'll take a look at what b2 looks alike, especially in administration mode. For the "normal userinterface" there is already a customized css available, look here for more information. So it should be all about the admin interface. I'll give it a try and experiment with a customized css. If I succeed I'll happily offer the result to the community. But don't nail me on something like a timeline, I'm doing this during my spare time which has been rather rare during the last days.
    Note: I'm not used to b2 at all, so if there are some things I should spend special care about, please let me know in time.
    Bye, Mike

  28. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    ok, thank you for for explaining what you mean Mike.
    I too have started work on a new CSS for the admin panel and will let you know when I have something to offer.
    Regards.

  29. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    What you mean to say is that most everyone that has voiced an opinion. There is at least one (and I speculate more) that have not seen b2 so we don't care. We also use our own stylesheet so we really don't care.
    I would rather the very generous developers of this product spend time fixing the know bugs and functional enhancements rather than prettying up the admin panel. But that is the opinion of the one of the members of the so-called minority.
    PS - Thank you to all the people who contribute to this project. Hopefully one day my schedule will free up so I can lend a hand.

  30. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I'm not the one who started this discussion, and will register later, but I am just about to upgrade if you like to WordPress and will create the b2 admin interface theme and release it for all.
    Regards
    Marzar00

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