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[closed] Auto Updates? (99 posts)

  1. Marj Wyatt
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    I was just alerted that one of my sites updated. I understand I can disable this but, frankly, I'm alarmed that this feature was implemented.

    I do not allow any software to update automatically in my home office. I maintain the websites of many clients and I always perform a backup before updating their sites so I have a recovery path if a plugin fails or something else.

    Thanks to this new "feature" I now have a lot of unplanned work to do because I have to modify the wp-config file to disallow this function for every site that I maintain.

    I understand that old code is high risk, and I have educated my clients to understand this too. But the fact of the matter is that there have been WP upgrades which have NOT gone smoothly and I've been very glad that I waited a couple of weeks for the bugs to be worked out.

    This, in my professional opinion, is NOT a good idea ... not at all a good idea.

    I take responsibility for not reading through the 3.8 release notes and taking action then to stop this intrusive functionality.

    <end_rant>

  2. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

  3. StandardExcellence
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Andrew - for me it was the core.

    My entire WordPress site updated from 3.8.0 to 3.8.1 while I was sleeping. I didn't get the chance to do a backup. What if something went wrong?

    I use WordPress professionally and I'm outraged that the system is now doing its updates for me without my knowledge or permission. I don't know how I can stand behind the system and say I support it if I can't predict what it's going to do! I really hope when I get to work today that the company intranet still works.

  4. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

    My entire WordPress site updated from 3.8.0 to 3.8.1 while I was sleeping.

    Yes, WordPress will update the core automatically from versions like 3.8.0 to 3.8.1. To clarify it won't update 3.8 to 3.9 steps.

    If you want to disable it see this http://codex.wordpress.org/Configuring_Automatic_Background_Updates#Disabling_Automatic_Updates

  5. DFlynn
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Oh my goodness. Andrew, is there an easy way to do that?

    I agree with the first poster, I want to keep the right to update my WordPress when I wish to.

  6. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

    What step are you finding difficult?

  7. DFlynn
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Hey Andrew,

    Dont take take this as a derogatory remark, it aint. Disagreeing, itself is not derogatory. Expressing an concern is not a derogatory remark.

    The reason I am concerned about auto-updates is this:

    I don't trust you folk at WordPress anymore.

    I don't trust your judgement about what you folk think is "beautiful," about what is "functional" etc. I don't want you folk to make changes to something I use just about every day.

    Having said that, I did read the extended comment about auto-updates and how safe they are, and so forth: But I dont trust you. How do I know that you will not just auto-updating other new even more beautiful design features?

    Right now the only thing I would like to see coming down the pipe that I should update or upgrade are security patches.

    Now to your question directly, your answer is like a foreign language to me, and I am sure to others:

    Example:

    To specifically enable development (nightly) updates, use the following:

    add_filter( 'allow_dev_auto_core_updates', '__return_true' );

    To specifically disable minor updates, use the following:

    add_filter( 'allow_minor_auto_core_updates', '__return_false' );

    To specifically enable major updates, use the following:

    add_filter( 'allow_major_auto_core_updates', '__return_true' );

    function always_return_false_for_vcs( $checkout, $context ) {
    return false;
    }
    add_filter( 'automatic_updates_is_vcs_checkout', 'always_return_false_for_vcs', 10, 2 );

    David: What?

    My only working model of comparison is with Window's products. I just dont see them given the masses instructions like this.

    For what it's worth.

  8. DFlynn
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    You just deleted my post? Could you even address the problem of intelligibility for non-code readers?

  9. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

    To specifically disable minor updates, use the following:

    add_filter( 'allow_minor_auto_core_updates', '__return_false' );

    What theme are you using?

  10. DFlynn
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Hey Andrew,

    "WordPress 3.8.1 running Aspire theme."

    http://calvinandcalvinism.com/

    I love this theme and for my work I want to keep everything very simple for reader-usage. And because I am not a code-reader, I like to keep plug-ins down to a minimum and ultra simple.

    Oh and yes, Ive found some plug-ins make Go-Daddy very unhappy, believe it or not. I mean "very" unhappy. :(

  11. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Can you ask your theme's vendors how to integrate this bit of code:

    add_filter( 'allow_minor_auto_core_updates', '__return_false' );

    into your theme?

    Generally [wrong advice redacted]

  12. DFlynn
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Can I ask? I very much doubt it. I can ask a friend of mine. I will forward the code and your links to him. My friend has modified the site here and there, so I can specialize certain features I use.

    Thanks for your help.

  13. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Actually it's not functions.php file, it's wp-config.php file you want to put the code in: http://wordpress.org/support/topic/how-do-we-turn-off-auto-updates?replies=2

  14. Marj Wyatt
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    As the "troublemaker" who started this thread, I'm glad to read that others in our community are not happy with this new feature.

    I'm a code person and not concerned about modifying functions.php and/or wp-config.php. Why not have a setting available in the dashboard General Settings that disables these features so the fix is less daunting to folks who are not comfortable making such changes?

  15. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

  16. Marj Wyatt
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Andrew, I do not need to use a plugin nor do I recommend that my clients install plugins for things that are so simple to fix for people like me.

    Even Microsoft allows an option to optin or optout of automatic updates.

    The idea of this change is good. Its implementation is bad, in my professional opinion.

  17. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

    I'm a code person and not concerned about modifying functions.php and/or wp-config.php.

    Sorry I misread that as "I'm not a code person and concerned about modifying..."

  18. Marj Wyatt
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    No problem.

  19. bball463
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Oh I am quite angry that it auto updated. it cost me $180,284.00 I was waiting to update, as I always do for 3 days after a release. I was showing a client the difference in several features. Because of this auto update I lost his contract ($83,644.91 a year for 8 years)And this happened on 3 sites with 3 different clients totaling the $180,284.00.

  20. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

    @bball463, I would seriously consider using another CMS completely.

  21. bball463
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Kind of difficult when my business is WordPress. I have 24 clients all using WP.

  22. bball463
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    The Plugin that Andrew is mentioning seems to work great. Thanks for the suggestion.

  23. DFlynn
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Hey Andrew,

    Thanks, I am trying to activate that plug in now.

  24. DFlynn
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Andrew,

    Can you tell me what is the difference, exactly, between a

    minor update
    major update
    development update

    Thanks,
    David

  25. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 6 months ago #

    I can't, I'll wait for someone more knowledgeable to post

  26. Marj Wyatt
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    This documentation at Codex endeavors to explain the types of updates and also how to fine tune the automatic nature of them:
    http://codex.wordpress.org/Configuring_Automatic_Background_Updates

  27. keeperbay
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Problem #1. Why does WP Core think that posting a link to Codex will help? Most Bloggers Know Nothing About Code!

    Problem #2. Auto Updating assumes that all plugins are going to automatically work with the new version of WP - When has that EVER Happened?

    Problem #3. When Problem #2 occurs, those bloggers who fall into the category of Problem #1 are stuck paying to have their sites restored, fixed or rebuilt.

  28. DFlynn
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Thanks Andrew and thanks Marj. I am reading the link now.

    And I totally concur with Keeper.

  29. Marj Wyatt
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    I have suggested in other circles (a skype group where a couple core developers are) that, if the assumption is that most won't upgrade regularly, WP Core could write a "restore point" sort of functionality that gives site owners and their developers a way out of the update if it doesn't apply smoothly.

    I'm not holding my breath...

    The first thing that I do when I get a new computer or new software is disable auto updates. I set it to be notified and I make the choice about when to perform that upgrade. It seems to me that this is a much better method than rolling out an update without any means of backing it out, other than whatever processes and procedures have been implemented for that installation for regular backups, etc.

  30. keeperbay
    Member
    Posted 6 months ago #

    Have installed the “Disable Auto Update Patch” on 45 WordPress blogs today.
    Have 120 more to go.
    More orders rolling in.
    Once again WP Core is keeping me gainfully employed.

    @DFlynn - we need a "Like" option here lol

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