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[resolved] Adhesive (32 posts)

  1. brianbonner
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I tried the new version and the old 1.5 version and when I activate it, no sticky button appears in the write advanced options window.

  2. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    IMHO - for what it is worth - this is a plug in that has been overtaken by WP development and isnt necessary any more.

  3. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Is there then a built-in sticky function in 1.5, Root? If so, please do tell where it may be found.

    Brian, try editing a post through the Manage section. You should see a check box below the radio buttons in Advanced/Post Status. Not sure why it doesn't show up on the actual Write page....

  4. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Not precisely. But generally many of us are in favour of eliminating or at least reducing reliance on plugins - many of which are fine but all of which bring their own issues. Cross theme compatability being one. Upgrades being two. There is no sticky function but there is masses of additional functionality which can deliver the same effect. Be it a new dedicated template, an edited loop, or an if else conditional. None of which require a plugin.

  5. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Not a real good idea from the POV of those of us who don't "do" code. Those of us who are not coders in whatever language (in this case, php) rely on those who write plugins to help us out.

    So what you're saying here is that the "powers that be" who produce WP have now decided that in order for some functionalities to be used, we all have to learn php? This is direct from Matt, Ryan, et al? Could you point me to a post on the dev blog where this is explicitly deliniated?

  6. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    That is nonsense. I made no mention of the devs who have nothing to do with it.
    But as a general practice if every time we need to do anything we use a plugin it soon becomes unmanageable. And there are many old my hacks and plugins which have been overtaken by WP 1.5. new functionality. The difficulty is fitting the bits in the tool box together to solve the problem in the simplest and most efficient way. Just about anyone could copy index.php save it as home.php and paste in their sticky text. There it is. And I might add that most people familiar with my efforts know that to me simplicity is next to godliness.

  7. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Hmmm. Well, I'm wondering then who "many of us" might be. And obviously if it's not the developers, then those of us who don't code don't need to do anything but use the plugins available and therefore have no worries, ain't?

    I don't have "difficulty" making plugins work, and I have tried your vaunted "solution" of using "home.php"; I don't personally like it after playing with it for a month or so. When I want a sticky post, I want a sticky post at the top of the list of recent posts - I don't want a separate page which has to be clicked past even if one has seen it already. And separate pages come with their own set of problems, as a look through the Troubleshooting section will show.

    Sticky posts by their express nature are there to be read ONCE by each person who accesses the blog - after which they can be ignored if one has seen them already. A new sticky will be obvious by its newness, and then treated the same. People are used to this functionality from fora all over the net. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel.

    The "home.php" idea was interesting to begin with, but it's just another layer of stuff for most of us, y'know. And it's a layer of stuff that doesn't provide any real functionality expansion, the way some plugins do. (Yes, there are silly plugins which provide little if any viable functionality - the DST one comes instantly to mind - but for the most part, plugins are perfect for keeping the core WP size smaller while allowing a fairly large ability to customize to one's taste.)

    We'll agree to disagree on this one, shall we? Yes, for you changing a 3 column to 2 column site or vice versa, the "home.php" trick is fine, but for many of us that is not something that will ever arise.

    [And no, it was NOT nonsense - your posted statement came across very much as if "Root and the important people" thought this way, instead of "Root and those who think home.php is the wave of the future". But since I "apparently" misunderstood, I stand corrected.]

  8. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Well here it is on a on a plate

  9. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    And incidentally you have misrepresented the importance of home php. It takes us one step higher up the template hierarchy. What you can do with that is only limited by imagination. Obviously in short supply.

  10. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    And this is "better" than a plugin? Not for me, thanks. I do not WANT to know how to do multiple query loops or whathehellever.

    And I note from the explanatories that certain of the code-changes are "template-dependant" so would that not indicate that you have to do them over for every theme you have installed? Plugins don't require that sort of dinking around. Plugins get dropped into the plugin folder, activated, and work with all themes installed.

    Those who like to screw around with code in the core files and themes are welcome to do so. I don't want to do it, I don't have time to mess with it, and I'm happy that there are people like Owen Winkler who provide a drop-in solution.

    [["obviously in short supply".... well, let's not go into name-calling, shall we?]]

  11. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    And you think plugins are not template dependant ? Ok.

  12. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Not so far as I've found. I use a round dozen themes on one site, with the following plugins working WITHOUT A HITCH on all of them:

    Adhesive 2.1 beta
    WeatherIcon 2.01
    Countdown 1.0 alpha 5
    Enhanced Post List 0.1
    Fancy Tooltips 1.2.1
    Random QOTD 1.0
    ReferrerBouncer 1.1
    Shire Reckoning 2 0.75
    Spam Karma 1.20 alpha 2
    Theme Switcher 0.3
    WP SpamAssassin 0.6.2

    S'all good.

  13. Lorelle
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Settle down, you two.

    Brianbonner, did you find the "sticky" reference in your Write Post screen? It should be there if the plugin was properly installed and activated.

    From what I understand, the next version of WordPress will not feature an easy-to-use, built-in "sticky" or adhesive feature. Maybe in future releases. For now, the plugins will do the easy work of "sticking" a post towards the top.

    For those who want more sophisticated coding techniques, and who are willing to write up their explanations and examples on their site or in the WordPress Codex, we all eagerly await the resource(s). We are all here to learn, and some of us want to learn a lot and some a little and ain't we lucky that WordPress allows us to do both and still create fascinating WordPress sites.

  14. davidchait
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    CG-PostOrder also offers a 'sticky' solution, with the addition of you can denote forced order of sticky posts. It requires a minor code mod to 1.5.0, but works 'out of the box' with 1.5.1 (and should with recent nightlies, as the fixes were in weeks ago).

    I disagree with the direction that WordPress should become a bloated monolithic application. Plugins serve a useful position, as added functions not everyone needs or wants. True, something like basic 'sticky' has been in hacks for over a year, and could be in the core without much of any overhead.

    I do agree that there are advantages to certain functionality being in the core product. Apple and Microsoft are classic examples of companies seeing value in third-party enhancements, and adopting similar functions into core OS/apps. That's a progression. But with WP, I'd only see this for lightweight stuff. Frankly, I'd like to see MORE functionality broken out into plugins, less absorbed into the 'core', so the 'core' becomes as lightweight as possible. But that's just me! ;)

    Anyone wants to try out PostOrder, grab the latest CG-PowerPack, and start a new thread if you have Qs.

    -d

  15. vkaryl
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Well, David, that's two of us. I'll have to get the latest distro from you - I've been remiss in that direction. PostOrder sounds interesting, and I'm about ready to set up FeedRead again on another site.

    Btw, Lorelle, even though Adhesive is installed and working just fine on two of my blogs, it doesn't appear in the Write Post screen, only in the Manage Post screen - no matter which theme is active.

  16. davidchait
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    vkaryl -

    Definitely check it out. The UI is still in the early stages, and uses inserted buttons in an admin's view of the site to currently allow quickly-tagging static/ordered items. The overall approach was that I've gotten sick of having to get into edit mode to change some quick property on a post -- so CG-PostOrder and CG-Related now use inline buttons for quick control over secondary 'tagging' of posts. Only visible to admins, of course. ;)

    I intended to then give you 'up/down' buttons to manually re-order the posts, but I decided to wait until it was being used by enough people who needed the added functionality -- it'll probably go in the admin page, letting you increase the post order for a given tagged post. Just easier to manage that way.

    Actually, it's all in the database already -- post ordering, that is. So if you tag a post, and >really< wanted it above everything else, for the moment you COULD manually go into the db record and increase the order to something above the default value of 1... (or, set to 0 to put it after the other 'stickies').

    I'm still looking for more feature requests, of course. ;)

    -d

  17. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    I simply do not understand why it is necessary to be abusive to someone who points out that wholesale and widespread use of plugins has some downsides. The obvious one occurs at the theme dev / plugin interface. If one user has multiple plugins and multiple themes - then each time they fit a new theme they need to copy the plugin calls into each relevant template in the new theme. Furthermore a theme dev needs to make a strategic choice about whether certain plugins should be required to run the theme. Generally theme dvs chosse not to, for obvious reasons. But there is absolutely no need to be offensive to anyone who spends time sitting looking at both sides of this equation. Furthermore it is a fact that many plugins were conceived to expand capabilities in the core functionality when that functionality did not exist in WP. Sometimes it has been adopted by the devs in the core. So we need to be discerning about recommending plugins which have been overtaken. We also need to keep the user informed where he has a choice. What we should not be doing is allowing our latent paranoia to disrupt the forum. And vkaryl - your contribution to this dialogue has been unhelpful to say the least.

  18. davidchait
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Root - hope you didn't feel >I< was in any way abusive! I agree there are many options for users.

    However, I also want to point out that many plugins that add OUTPUT may need you to modify templates -- at least until there's a meta-template system for 'sidebar modules' and the like. On the other hand, plugins like CG-PostOrder, or CG-Related, work 100% independent of the theme/template in use -- just activate the plugin.

    I'd go so far as to say I don't like themes that require certain plugins (aside from implementing core theme functionality). Let users add whatever plugins they want, whatever content they want.

    Yes, there are cases where things benefit from moving into the core. But plugins that don't require any theme modification, and work across themes, are what much of the 'core' should evolve into. Let more of the functionality of WP be in plugins, so that users can just turn it on and off. Don't hide such things as checkboxes, when they could be modules that aren't even loaded into memory... ;)

    Just IMHO! ;)

    -d

  19. Root
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Certainly not David. You have been a fine model as always. There is a lot more to the strategic choices about plugins than some folk are willing to face up to. I love them myself. But I try to code where I can. Horses for courses. But the tone in this thread really disturbed me.

  20. Usayd
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Had the same problem - The solution =

    Post your post / Save it

    Go back to edit it (advanced editing)

    And the sticky checkbox should come up.

    If not fill in the Custom Field with the Value:

    Key: Sticky, Value: 1

    (www.usayd.com) i've currently got one up

  21. brianbonner
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Man did I open up a can of worms! The plugin does work. it just doesn't put the check box in the write advance of a new post. It is there when editing or publishing from a draft. I don't know why I didn't know that from the start.

    As for plugins, I think they are a great idea. Obviously the deevelopers do as well or they wouldn't have that functionality built into WP.

    As for coding? I think programmers who love to code should use coding solutions. I think that is really what drives the desire to do it your way and that is fine.

    frankly I do it both ways. I have figured out enough php to customize my blog to do what I want it to do on a basic level. But when there is a plug-in that does whta I want then I am more then happy to use it.

    As for you coders out there why don't you help me out on the quick tabs plugin? It puts buttons on the comment page but not on the comments popup page and for the life of me I cannot figure out how it is even calling the comments in the plugin.

  22. webwide
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Well, that was certainly an interesting read, and I don't even know what adhesives is! (well, I do now...)

    :o)

    Just out of curiosity, what percent of plugins are NOT cross-theme compatible? So far the only thing I've found that isn't cross-theme compatible are the hacks or plug-ins that predate the one-click feature, those that require me adding code to sidebar.php or some other page. Even though I only use one theme and don't give my readers the option to switch, I might want to do that in the future and I hate the thought of having to go through several pages trying to find my add-in code several months after I first typed it in! Give me plug-ins any day...

  23. Usayd
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    yep i agree, plugins just enhance what is already really good! And they are customizable, meaning that if you have a specific thing you want to do that no one else would want, you can either program a plugin for that or you can find one!

  24. clarke1866
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    In response to Vkarly not wanting to use the 'on a plate' method to post stickies -- I realize that to some this method may be confusing. However, in the comming days I will re-release that tutorial showing exactly how one can do it step for step with the default (kubrick) theme. Litterally, its as easy as a couple of cut and pastes.

    What is "template dependant," is how your posts are formated for viewing, not how the sticky code itself works.

  25. davidchait
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    If there is any "cut and paste", that becomes "template dependent". i.e., if I switch templates, I lose my stick functionality if I don't go cut and paste again. With a plugin like CG-PostOrder, the functionality really is (well 99%) template independent -- so long as your template uses the standard posts loop. ;)

    -d

  26. clarke1866
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Here it is anyway, for those that dig up this thread.

  27. RichH
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    brianbonner,

    I, too, was puzzled when Adhesive (2.1 beta on WP 1.5.1.2) worked so well at my website, but failed to give us a Sticky box on a website I set up for a good friend.

    Root's approach is fine for some. But if you want the Adhesive plugin to work for you, I bet this will help...

    My friend's hosting service runs php as cgi (and I suspect yours does, too)... In the adhesive_admin_footer() function there's a call to $_SERVER['SCRIPT_NAME'] which is fine on my site with php but not on hers with php-cgi. On her site you have to use $_SERVER['SCRIPT_URL'], and that won't work on my site.

    So I changed it to test both and it seems to work on both.

    I changed line 159 to:

    if((preg_match('|post.php|i', $_SERVER['SCRIPT_URL'])||preg_match('|post.php|i', $_SERVER['SCRIPT_NAME'])) && $_REQUEST['action'] == 'edit')

    I hope this helps anyone else with the problem. It's the old php as cgi catch!

  28. Vryce
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    Rich

    Thank you so much for posting that change.

    I had been going nuts trying to figure out why I wasn't getting the sticky checkbox on my edit page.

    I could add in a custom field named sticky and a value of 1 and the sticky post would be displayed as it should, but I could never get the checkbox to show up.

    Now, it does. My host is running php as cgi.

    Thank you again!

  29. shirasade
    Member
    Posted 9 years ago #

    RichH,

    You are a lifesaver! I've been trying to figure out why the heck Adhesive wasn't working on one site (hosted somewhere where php is run as cgi) but on another it worked just fine... and now, after changing the code the way you suggested, I finally get the sticky box as well! Thanks so much.

  30. amanda1973
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago #

    Rich H,

    I too have been trying to figure out the Adhesive problem for months. Don't know why I missed your solution before, but I'm glad I finally found it.

    Anyone else on Dreamhost should follow your advice.

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