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a WYSIWYG HTML editor?? (22 posts)

  1. Amit Gupta
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    hi
    I think that WordPress lacks one thing. A WYSIWYG HTML Editor for creating new posts & editing old ones. It would be really great if a WYSIWYG HTML Editor can be integrated in WordPress.
    2 Free ones that I know would suit the purpose are htmlArea at http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/ and the 2nd one is SPAW Editor at http://www.solmetra.com/en/disp.php/en_products/en_spaw_about
    The htmlArea is in just JavaScript & HTML while SPAW Editor is available in PHP & ASP.NET & can be customised quite a bit with the feature of Image Upload etc.
    Since these WYSIWYG HTML Editors work only in IE5+ on Windows(mostly though its rumoured that htmlArea Beta 3 can work in Mozilla too), there should ofcourse be an option to turn WYSIWYG HTML Editor on/off.
    I'll be glad if someone can rig up a hack for this or if this is added in the upcoming version.

  2. Mark (podz)
    Support Maven
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I don't agree with what's needed.
    A HTML editor builds pages.
    Wordpress builds the content of pages which for the most part are otherwise static.
    I've used many editors to run my page before I started using WP, and yet I ended up just using the same few features. Those features now form the quicktags. Given that if I particluarly want a set feature I can already create it either through use of CSS of tags, I can't see the point of bloating the system with tools that would otherwise remain unused.

  3. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    A WYSIWYG editor is pointless due to the dynamic nature of the website. Sure, the layout is static (most of the time), but that can be changed via the CSS file, something I'm not sure any online html editor can do.

  4. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Browser compatibility and webstandards are the main problems. I dont think matt will implement anything activeX here or any thing that breaks the forums...
    kiss is the mantra... :)

  5. FlashBang
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    I'm definetly FOR implementing a WYSIWYG html editor into WordPress.. AFAIK, HTMLarea does NOT use an ActiveX control.. I'm pretty sure it's completely done with Javascript (I havent looked into this, so correct me if i am wrong), but Mozilla also has support for this through it's midas controls.. Mozilla/Gecko support for this shows that this is not just something that microsoft does.. The decision was made by opera not to support it.. but that doesnt mean that the IE and Mozilla users out there cant benefit from this..
    The question is not how easy it is right now to format posts.. The question is, could it be made easier, and better looking, which IMHO, HTMLarea would do.
    And who knows.. maybe Matt would be kind enough to make HTMLarea output valid XHTML as well (right now, htmlarea doesnt really follow any coding guidelines..)

  6. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    There's also the issue of semantics to deal with.
    I'd start with a version of Kevin Roth's RTE, if I were going to go for a semantic rich-text editor. It's not ActiveX, it works with IE and Mozilla yet degrades nicely for other browsers, and generally seems to produce good code.
    I've been working at trying to "semantify" it, actually. The default setup is WYSIATI for buttons unfortunately, but it looks as though it could be set up for at least some semantics without too much trouble. At the very least I've been able to make it produce A, P, EM, STRONG, the headers, and the lists. I'm not sure about CITE and BLOCKQUOTE yet; those are my next major projects. Excising FONT wasn't too difficult, but I've thus far been stymied at my attempts to work with class and id attributes.

  7. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Looks like STRONG wasn't going as well as I'd thought, but thus far I've got the others working anyway. I'll keep plugging away, though; with some more work, we may be able to get an editor that's WYSIWYG but not WYSIATI.
    Anyone have any docs on ways to extend Midas? Unfortunately that may mean that some things would have to be Moz-specific for now, but it could be our best hope for the time being

  8. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    All that the WYSIWYG editors described do is pass button clicks into what otherwise would be hand coded HTML (or CSS, for that matter) in WordPress' textareas and render it.

    I think we need to define WYSIWYG before we go any further. WYSIWYG stands for What You See Is What You Get. Meaning it does more than just pass HTML/CSS, it has to RENDER the HTML and CSS. No of course a way around that is to have a preview function, but that could lead to bloated files.
    Now, I am for an XHTML/JavaScript/CSS editor. For instance, an interface with drop down menus to insert quick code, going beyond the standard and

    buttons.

  9. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Might help if I log in. The above poster is me.

  10. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    the latest htmlarea vesion works in moz/fb and IE (not opera) and is solely javascript. and once you integrate it into any cms/blog system you can say goodbye to xhtml compliance unless you switch off 90% of its features.

  11. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    the latest htmlarea vesion works in moz/fb

    it's called Firefox! :P
    And I agree, we shouldn't break XHTML compliance.

  12. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    its called firesomething. something part is superficial...

  13. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    Yeah it really is called firesomething.

  14. FlashBang
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor
    Version 2.0 of this editor already has Mozilla support, already supports IE, and the author is working on XHTML compliance..
    Sounds a lot better than HTMLarea too :) , and it's GPl'd

  15. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    the question is.. should people unable to use smart tags allowed to have blogs? :p

  16. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    people have to be smart to have blogs?
    that is very bad point of view...
    blog is abt publishing and its the duty of blog makers to make it as simple as possible... :)

  17. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    That looks a lot like Microsoft Office...

  18. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    sushubh: smart tags has nothing to do with smart people, though it helps! :o

  19. OperaManiac
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    blogging is about content... :)
    smart tags are just enhancements... let make them easier for anyone to use as freely as they might like! :)

  20. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    If you're using 1.0.2, give my WYSI-Wordpress hack a try:
    WYSI-Wordpress

  21. Anonymous
    Unregistered
    Posted 10 years ago #

    HTMLArea (version 3, the "beta") works fine with Mozilla - I use it daily, and it was fairly simple to add to both Blosxom and Movable Type

  22. Root
    Member
    Posted 10 years ago #

    How and why do we lose validation with comments?

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