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[closed] A blog that's a forum that's a listserv (27 posts)

  1. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hi, I'm trying to set up a communication system for an organization that currently uses a yahoo group to communicate. I set them up with a wordpress blog, but they would also like to migrate off their listserv.

    It occurred to me that WordPress' blogging platform is already, basically, a web forum as well. A blog has a main article and a comment section. A message board doesn't differentiate between the article and the comments -- they're all treated as posts. Therefore, some minor theme tweaking would make WordPress look and function like a message board. Right?

    One other thing, though: A lot of people on the current system only follow discussions because they show up in their mailbox. Therefore, I would need WordPress to email all the members of the 'forum' when something posted or responded to, and I would like them to respond via email as well, which would post a response to the thread on the site, and would show up in everyone's email.

    I would also like people to be able to post to the public blog via email, if possible. So basically, like the title says, it would be an integrated blog/forum/listserv platform. Have any of you done anything like this, and how would you recommend going about it?

    Thanks for your time

  2. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Right?

    Nope. Well, not in my opinion anyway. A blog and a forum are two completely different things. You would be far better adding a forum to your existing WP site (either a forum plugin or a standalone forum) and then using Feedburner in conjunction with the forum's RSS feed to email out the resent discussion. An option to post by email would depend upon what forum software you eventually choose.

  3. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Are they really different, though? You can lock a thread. You can also close comments. You can give different user roles the ability to start threads. In WordPress, you can just let all subscribers be authors, and now everyone can 'start a thread'.

    With a forum, you can have different rooms, or boards. In wordpress, you can have different categories. The more I work in WordPress, the more I begin to think that the differences are illusory, that if you changed the labels and formatting, the functionality is all there. What does a forum have that WordPress doesn't?

    More difficult, though, I would think, is integrating a listserv into WordPress. I know there's Mailpress, though I've never used it, and I believe it's more for newsletters, which, like a blog, is more about a publisher distributing information in one direction.

  4. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Are they really different, though?

    Having used both extensively for more than 8 years, I'd say "yes".

  5. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    OK, let's put that debate aside for a moment. The main issue I'm facing is how to make WordPress a de facto listserv. I know there are plugins that will handle some of these functions, and maybe it's a matter of combining them to create discussion group functionality.

    First, users would need to be able to post via email. I read that this isn't possible with multisite installations, which I'm running, and I have not found a workaround for this yet.

    I also saw that WordPress.com allows you to comment on posts via email, but I don't see an equivalent .org plugin. I have seen some plugins to receive email notifications when there's a new post, or a comment on that post.

    So if I was able to put together email post notifications, + comment notifications, + post via email, + comment via email, I think this would meet my needs for this project. Has anyone tried to do something like this?

  6. jon.m.downey
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I am trying to do the exact same thing. I would appreciate any more comments on this.

  7. jon.m.downey
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I have tried using Postie because it handles the post via email, and the comments via email. However since it doesn't post the comments as normal WP comments comment notify plugins don't fire on Postie-created comments.

    If Postie would fix this, using it with a post notification system would be perfect.

  8. First, users would need to be able to post via email. I read that this isn't possible with multisite installations, which I'm running, and I have not found a workaround for this yet.

    It is possible, actually.

    Make a plugin in mu-plugins with this in it:

    add_filter( 'enable_post_by_email_configuration', '__return_true', 100 );

    See http://wordpress.org/support/topic/post-by-email-vanished-from-settings?replies=13 for more.

  9. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Thanks for the responses. Postie is working for me, partially. I can send an email and it will start a new post. If I respond to my own email, it posts a comment. Very nice. I think I'm halfway there.

    I need WordPress to email back out, though. The base functionality I would need is for my site to send an update to its users when there's a new post, and when there are comments on that post.

    It would be even better if I could set certain users to receive messages posted in certain categories. This could even be by user role.

    It would also be nice if users could opt out of a discussion. If they know they don't care about a topic, they could unsubscribe from it.

  10. jon.m.downey
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    +1 on what Publicradio just said. That is the exact functionality I need.

  11. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I found two plugins, WP Post Notifier For All and WP Comment Notifier For All, but neither of them are actually working for me.

  12. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Subscribe2 works like a charm, only it doesn't notify you of comments.

  13. Jetpack has a subscriptions setting that emails you when there are new comments and posts.

  14. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Thanks, I checked out Jetpack and it looks like kind of a plugin suite, that requires a wordpress.com account to work. Is this correct? I don't think I'm ready to integrate my site into WordPress and Quantcast. Thanks for the tip, though.

  15. Fair enough :)

  16. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    WP Post Notifier For All and WP Comment Notifier For All are actually working, but they don't seem to work with Postie.

  17. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Hmm... I don't know if this is related to upgrades but Post Notifier For All is working with Postie. I can send an email and it will post to the site, and then it sends out a notification. I'm almost there! If I reply, this reply will post as a comment, but then Comment Notifier For All will not trigger a notification. However, if I comment on the site, it does.

  18. SCNisHere
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I must say, this discussion has been an eye-opener. First, I like the idea of conceiving of the WordPress blogging platform as a forum. Second, I have been trying for years to find a solution on another platform (DotNetNuke) that integrates a listserve functionality into a web-based discussion forum. It looks like PublicRadio has blazing a path that is astounding in its creativity.

    PublicRadio, the only thing that I wonder about is how things hold up with very large numbers of users. On our main site, we would have many thousands of users accessing a given discussion. Any thoughts about that?

    Did you get the Comment Notifier For All to trigger a notification?

  19. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Thanks for the words of encouragement. As far as scale, I would imagine that WordPress could handle the scale. It's your hosting provider that you'd have to worry about. Check to see what the bandwidth limits would be for the http and smtp servers.

    Unfortunately, this project is still stalled at Comment Notifier For All. Everything else works perfectly, except that replies via email, while they do post to the thread, do not notify users via email. I don't think I marked this topic as resolved, but in any case it is not resolved.

    I can't remember if I contacted the developers of either Postie or Comment Notifier For All. It might be worth following up with both to try and determine why commenting via email doesn't trigger a notification.

  20. SCNisHere
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    If you will be willing to contact Postie and Comment Notifier for All, and keep me in the loop, I'd be happy to also contact them. Failing that, I'm assuming we can get the code (it's open source, right?), and I'd be more than happy to chip in on finding someone to get it to work for us. (I'm not a coder, unfortunately.) You are so close, and it's such an elegant solution that I just thing it's worth the continuing effort. Let me know how I can help.

  21. publicradio
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I emailed both, if you want to try them as well, We'll see what happens.

  22. kimber anderson
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    This is exactly what I am looking for as well.
    I need something similar to the Yahoo groups - a listserve / forum / discussion panel that can run completely through email with all new posts and reply comments going to all member with history.
    This is how Yahoo groups functions.
    I was able to, with Subscribe2, get the notifications to go out. You can even group people or send a mass email without posting to the site.
    But replies to the email notifications don't post as comments - they post as new blog posts.
    I will attempt to do what PublicRadio has tried with Postie and see how far I get. I wonder if anyone has an opinion on Jetpack vs BuddyPress when it comes to this type of functionality? Thanks everyone!!

  23. kimber anderson
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I re-read the thread and want to briefly summarize:
    want:
    email notifications for both posts & comments INCLUDING history
    ability to send email to post new topic (kicking off email notifiers)
    ability to reply to notification email to comment back
    for that comment to post to the site and kick off email notifiers
    ability to opt-out of a discussion/topic thread
    suggestions:
    forum plugs with RSS + Feedburner
    Postie to post and comment via email combined with either WP Post Notifier for All/WP Comment Notifier for All *or* Subscribe 2
    I will try Postie with Subscribe 2.
    If/when that fails, I will try BuddyPress, whose admin console doesn't load for me.

  24. jbsupergran
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I am embarking on building a community/magazine type website using WordPress - which is all new to me - and I have read the thread. Can anyone tell me if I can choose any of the free template themes available, such as Arthemia and use a forum plugin with RSS + Feedburner. I also want to eventually sell products, therefore do these themes allow you to connect with e-commerce platforms such as Shopify etc?

  25. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 1 year ago #

  26. jonpedlow
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    I am embarking on building a community/magazine type website using WordPress - which is all new to me - and I have read the thread. Can anyone tell me if I can choose any of the free template themes available, such as Arthemia and use a forum plugin with RSS + Feedburner. I also want to eventually sell products, therefore do these themes allow you to connect with e-commerce platforms such as Shopify etc?

    I have used bbPress on a few sites to create a forum and its been great! Hope this can help?

    http://bbpress.org/

  27. jbsupergran
    Member
    Posted 1 year ago #

    Thanks jonpedlow

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