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[closed] 3.8 admin panel design is very bad (91 posts)

  1. mch0lic
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    @Aksam Zarook

    Faced exactly the same problem so I decided to make a plugin that would revert to the old theme. Check "wp-admin classic" in plugin directory, also there is link in the thread somewhere.

    There is still 3 issues - dashboard, widget page css and, theme css. While widget/theme problems are really minor and is not affecting my clients at all, dashboard needs little bit of extra work. So if you have solution to contribute I would be glad to include it in that plugin.

    Cheers

  2. holospirit
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    i hate this update.

    widgets are totally uneditable - 15x screen-height to scroll down to find what i need to edit. no chance to find what is activated and what not.

    tags are formatted totally bad - 3 lines for one tag. looks cool with 50 tags.....

    please remove the new "style". css is pre-alpha.

  3. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    @Aksam Zarook, You need to warn them of the change first. You could give them a screenshot of what 3.8 looks like on your development sites(?). Say it won't be that different from the original dashboard. A bit flashier. Generally things will still be in the same place as they originally were. You don't have a problem with WordPress 3.8 do you? If not you should use your own passion and expertise to persuade the client, as obviously they don't know best otherwise they wouldn't have hired you.

  4. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    @holospirit, "15x screen-height to scroll down" - Wow that does sound like loads, but then that is relative to your screen size. If you were using a laptop and you had a 1500px-tall screen then that is of course completely wrong, you shouldn't have a 22500px-tall dashboard. Understandable.

  5. Aksam Zarook
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    WordPress should have left an option for users to decide whether to use the new look or update to the new design? Or at the very least they should have created a color scheme that resembled the old one as far as possible in the new palletes.

  6. holospirit
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    @andrew: no, i don't speak of screensize depending on responsive-fuck (who the hell codes on a smartphone).
    i speak about that every setting of active, inactive and saved widget is expanded to screen-width and all of then are put under each other.
    see [ link deleted, that link opened too many spammy pop ups. Please use a reputable image provider instead if you want to share images ]

    wp-admin-classic took the pain from 3.8-design away from me.

  7. Aksam Zarook
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    mch0lic,
    Thanks for making this plugin. Will check it. http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-admin-classic/

    Andrew Nevins,
    I don't like the new looks either. The colors are too bright and letters don't show clearly against the color.

    Plus I've made user manuals for my clients with screen shots of old design etc. Just imagine non-tech clients reading the user manual and logging into their website to see Windows 7 look when their manual shows screenshots of xp look? At the very least this change is going to cost me several hours, if not days of work of explaining to non-tech managers, users and staff of why their website needs this change, manuals need to be reprinted etc. This is time I or they don't have and bad for business. I'm currently working on several projects and this is not going to be easy. Oh wordpress, please give us a option to keep old look.

  8. latro666
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    It reminds me a tad of office 2013... that metro-ish flat matte look. not a fan just yet but it might be a grower.

    The left menu could definitely do with separation but as pointed out you can do this with a mini plugin. Speaking of which heck no offense but WordPress is 'open source' its like your 'unwritten' responsibility to make plugins and improve it, get involved etc... not just moan your clients are gonna hate it.

    The WP team don't owe you anything, if you'v built your business on the software its kinda a 'd' move to complain about a change they make especially when its free and they give you a massive API to change any part of it you want... if you are to unwilling/don't have the technical skills to make those changes then that's on you not them.

    Plus if you are zero involved in their developer community and did not comment on these coming changes when they were in development then its even worse... just screams of entitlement.
    Write a plugin that makes it look how you think it should look with a donate button, if it gets 2 million downloads then you might make a few $ :D

    /rant.

    On a further note, the responsive elements they have added are fantastic compared to how it was before. Re-size the window and check it out! - no doubt some folks are gonna moan since their clients use an old 14" monitor and all the text has disappeared :D

  9. Tim Hyde
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    New dashboard is really poor. Getting tired of WP updates wreaking havoc with clients and users experiences.

    What is really annoying is that these are merely cosmetic changes to the dashboard. There have been no real ux improvements been attempted here.

    If the dashboard really had undergone a full re-think, then ok, but all they've done is re-styled it. So yes we can all have a go at creating our own "classic" style and popping it back in, but come on there are more exciting things we would like to be doing with WordPress.

  10. Hans Christian
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I really agree with those opinions. Especially in the plugins panel, where is really difficult to make a visual difference between activated and active plugins.

    The rest... Too much white over black. A very bad design decision.

  11. latro666
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I'v been using it this morning to do some content entry, not something i normally get involved with but must say it does feel much cleaner and pleasurable to use then when i'v been roped into entering copy previously.

    I'm warming to the black bar on the left too.

    I had a look in the new folder:
    /wp-admin/css/colors

    Looks like it wouldn't really be that hard to write a plugin to allow users to create their own custom theme from within WP with additional options (like the line separator etc), might give it a bash as a personal project if anyone is interested?

  12. latro666
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    That one adds additional ones doesn't it? I was thinking along the lines of all the css classes mapped to a full hex color picker.

    I'm pretty sure there have been other similar ones written for older versions of WP so i guess some of these guys might already be updating for the new version so maybe give it a month or two and see if this materializes

  13. davidmcc3
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    Just completed a fresh install.

    Colour schemes were a waste of someone's time if we don't get to customise them (don't want to create plugin - customising should be within the Dashboard)
    Biggest negative is increased font/spacing sizes ... with no way to change them - it would mean more scrolling up and down & eye/head movement ... great 'improvement'!
    Not sure it's worth the effort to see if anything good/useful has changed.

    Fortunately, I keep a blank install of every WP version ... so I'll use Duplicator to build my next WP client site on an earlier (more user-friendly) version.

    About time the WP crew took a long hard look at the product could be, and stop messing with the interface.

  14. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    (don't want to create plugin - customising should be within the Dashboard)

    Why do you want colour schemes customisable to be part of WordPress core as opposed to a plugin?

    Biggest negative is increased font/spacing sizes ... with no way to change them - it would mean more scrolling up and down & eye/head movement ... great 'improvement'!

    WordPress doesn't disable the zoom that's by default available in your browser.

    About time the WP crew took a long hard look at the product could be, and stop messing with the interface.

    Here's where to get involved: http://make.wordpress.org/ - Please contribute as there is no "WP crew".

  15. Robert Heller
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    It's responsive. Smaller viewport = less columns. Ex: 1650x1080 = 3 columns; Laptop res = 2 columns; mobile devices = 1 column.

    What is the number of columns responsive to? I have a desktop and laptop, but with 1024x768 resoulution and I am getting 2 columns. I don't *ever* want two columns -- I don't have enough screen realestate. Where in the code can I hack this?

  16. Robert Heller
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    Oh, I also don't like the 3.8 admin style.

  17. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    @Robert Heller, see Olympa's response regarding customising the dashboard http://wordpress.org/support/topic/38-admin-panel-design-is-very-bad?replies=47#post-4996204

  18. davidmcc3
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    Andrew ... not suggesting customisable colours - the point is, fixed colour schemes are pointless because they can never be the right combination - one of the reasons I don't use 'standard' WordPress themes.

    You are joking about using the browser zoom? So, WordPress (and all who sail in her) think zooming in and out when going from Dashboard to viewing site to building the site (in Headway) and back is a good idea? And it isn't a good idea to be able to set it up just the once?

    Is it a generational thing? After 35 years in IT (I started young!) I understand the quickest way to get somewhere/do something is with the fewest mouse-clicks/key presses. Does no one else know this?

    There is too much change for the sake of just being different (and not enough progress), with no thought for people who want to stick with what they had before. Microsoft haven't learned yet (even with the backtracking in Windows 8), and that's why Windows XP is still on more PCs in the UK than either Vista or Win8.

    It's the lack of thought which bugs me most.

  19. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    You are joking about using the browser zoom? So, WordPress (and all who sail in her) think zooming in and out when going from Dashboard to viewing site to building the site (in Headway) and back is a good idea?

    People use their browser zoom all the time, there's no way software can set their font size to be readable for everyone. This level of customisation has been developed through browsers because of this problem.

    Browser zoom in relation to your issue with too much "scrolling up and down" can be easily resolved by zooming out and is something you can do right now.

  20. Robert Heller
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    @Andrew "see Olympa's response regarding customising the dashboard..." -- this does not fix the multiple columns on the dashboard. I've already loaded the plugin to fixed the 'colors' (wp-admin classic), now I want to fix the [stupid] 'responsive' (so called) Dashboard widget multiple-column, like it or NOT, disaster. Where do I hack that? I want to set it for any size == mobile device and get 1 column no matter how wide my screen is.

    Awaiting a 3.8.1 release that fixes all of this nonsense...

  21. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    @Robert Heller, I was referring to Olympa's technique to modify the appearance of the dashboard, not the specific CSS. If you need CSS support try a CSS forum like CSSCreator: http://csscreator.com .

  22. Robert Heller
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    BTW: I've updated only one of my sites and will hold off updating the rest until 3.8.1, assuming 3.8.1 fixes the (many) problems.

  23. esmi
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    What problems?

  24. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    @Robert Heller, this should help you http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/126301/wordpress-3-8-dashboard-1-column-screen-options - If you need further support you should create a thread in the "How-to" forum.

  25. Nordi
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    I'm agree, current design is a step backward and not user friendly.
    For those who want to return classic ui: http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-admin-classic/

    Current "mobile-like" style is not comfortable, it's very plain and ugly for desktop users. It's remind me google analytics design... and anything else but certainly not WP as I new it and get used to it for years.

  26. Marcus Fridholm
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    Well stuff come and go. Sometimes it's almost funny with all the trends that totally take over for a while. Right now flat and square it the hot sh*t and so says everybody...

    I have no problem with flat design per se, I use it just like everybody else, if seldom as drastically as the strongest proponents.

    I DO have problems with the trend of using too large type. Not that large type is bad, just that it is bad if you go larger than what is helpful in context.

    3.8 looked "wrong" and "crowded" for some reason, playing around a bit I found that if I took the font-sizes down just a tad, it became more restful. Mileage may vary, some may think 14px is the new 13px, more power to them.

    For those who'd like to have somewhat smaller fonts in the menu and some other elements, try this for a plugin, fiddle around with the styles to your hearts content:

    <?php
    /*
    Plugin Name: Fix Admin CSS
    */
    
    function admin_css_fix() {
    ?>
    <style type="text/css">
    .tablenav .tablenav-pages a {
    	padding: 3px 10px 3px;
    	line-height: 30px;
    	font-size: 12px;
    	font-weight: 600;
    	border: 1px solid #d3d3d3;
    }
    #adminmenu a.menu-top, #adminmenu .wp-submenu-head,
    td.post-title strong, td.plugin-title strong,
    td.post-title strong a.row-title {
    	font-size: 13px !important;
    }
    #adminmenu .wp-submenu a {
    	font-size: 12px;
    }
    </style>
    <?php
    }
    add_action( 'admin_head', 'admin_css_fix' );
  27. mrscindyhammond
    Member
    Posted 7 months ago #

    The welcome page said this was to be the "most beautiful", I find it quite unattractive. The dark theme bothered my eyes, I'm still seeing spots even now. I changed it to the light theme and it's still horribly ugly and extremely boring. I wish there was a way to use the old interface. I liked it enough to use it for a platform for my webiste. If I'd seen this version of dashboard, I may have chosen something else. I'm extremely dissatisfied.

    Change it back please.

  28. WPyogi
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    You CAN use the old interface -

    http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-admin-classic/

  29. Andrew
    Forum Moderator
    Posted 7 months ago #

    In case anyone's missed it, you can use a plugin to revert to the old appearance: http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-admin-classic/

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