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1. speki
   Member
   Posted 2 months ago #

   IntenseDebate looks good, smells good and has good features, and is free... but... but... when you have any problems, be quick to uninstall and do not even try to contact the support guy who's gonna answer your mails ALWAYS with weeks of delay ALWAYS saying "oops sorry, somehow this issue slipped thru, but the problem is gone now, isn't it?"

   If you have complicated, long links in your comments, ID will mess up. If you have unicode (Accented) characters, ID will mess up. If you change plugin settings in your control panel, it won't be working as expected.

   Be honest. They just don't care.

   Yeah I know it's free... still it's a disappointment.

   http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/intensedebate/

2. samboll
   moderator
   Posted 2 months ago #

   this is really tiring
   if a plugin does not work or for some reason you don't like it - un-install it and move on
   why come here and bash the plugin/author.
   Many folks use this plugin trouble free and as you pointed out is free.
   Because you are not satisfied is no reason to try to queer everyone on it

3. speedmktg
   Member
   Posted 1 month ago #

   I have to disagree.

   I appreciate knowing that there is an issue. While I don't think we need or can assign motive or intention to the developers, I do like knowing that these issues could pose a problem.

   It can save us a lot of time and aggravation.

4. cactuscarl
   Member
   Posted 1 month ago #

   I disagree too. It's important for others to share their experiences - good and bad. If everyone kept their mouth shut how would you expect WordPress (and everything related) to improve?

   Q: Why do you think WordPress even has a post comments feature?
   Q: Why are there forums all over the Internet?
   Q: Why are there numerous corporations/magazines/bogs/etc. serving consumer demand for knowledge?

   A: To help you make informed decisions and learn something.

   samboll: I see you are a moderator here. I find it puzzling that you would stifle another person's opinion on something that is completely relevant to these forums. If people can't express their opinion and share there knowledge here, we all might as well pack up and go home.

   Lighten up will ya?

5. Rori
   Member
   Posted 1 month ago #

   I am not sure why I have to sign up for an outside site to use this, is it similar to Disqus?

6. bolonki
   Member
   Posted 1 month ago #

   I agree 100% with CactusCarl, it is very important to share opinions freely, funny that the plugin is called "intense debate", apparently not allowed by moderators here.

   I intensely dislike the commercial, non-open source nature of this plugin and I'm not even sure they should be listed here on wordpress.org as they are looking for a profit. How about me advertising my services here on Wordpress.org for free? That's what IntenseDebate is doing, this plugin operates like a trojan horse stealing users and content from your site, and no, it's not free: you pay dearly with the statistics and users they harvest from your site.

7. cactuscarl
   Member
   Posted 1 month ago #

   Rori: yes, similar.

8. mitchellirons
   Member
   Posted 1 week ago #

   Samboli, I think is off-line considering the fact that these forums exist for people to give comments in the first place. Some people have a bone to pick, for certain, but others can be so flattering that their judgement is seen to be clouded as well.

   Anyway, on to my real concern - bolonki - your comment made me want to go an uninstall ID right away. But then I thought about things and realized that if I were to do that I might as well uninstall wp.com stats and akismet spam, and likely WP altogether, since these plugins come from organizations that find a way to earn money from open source software.

   OSS isn't necessarily going to be 100% free.

9. bolonki
   Member
   Posted 1 week ago #

   Hey MichellIrons, there is a BIG difference: akismet and wp stats don't try to STEAL your users away like IntenseDebate does, they recruit your users into their social network. Very gullible, "fanboy" naive people here, it's a pity. Automattic bought the IntenseDebate company to exploit the weakness of WP in that area, not out of a desire to improve the open source side (it's death to open source comment developement as far as WP goes) but out of an intense desire to make money. They tried to stop designers from selling "premium" themes, apparently they don't apply the same ethics when they slowly colonize the open source platform with trojan commercial plugins like Akismet, Gravatar, stats, comments, and there is more to come will not be on open source. What's the ethics of a COMMERCIAL plugin being distributed as DEFAULT on an open source platform? How about that blog that gets the real "plugs" on the Dashboard, shamelessly directing thousands of users to a blog with little content but chock full of AdSense? Why is it always THAT blog? But this money-making drive without ethics is not new, I remember when in 2005 Matt was caught stuffing hundreds of hideen links on this very site Wordpress.org, the "sacrosanct" open source project.

   Time for someone to fork out a LitePress like they used to have in 2006, imitate the Joomla move abandoning Mambo.

   My concern is that Wordpress is becoming Automattically buggier and more bloated with each new release, with CPU and DB queries quickly growing to ridiculous Drupal-like heights. At this rate, Wordpress will only be a good match for blogs that have negiligible traffic or sites with major resources (like Wordpress.com) but not for middle of the road sites. Even a simple thing like showing Recent comments is going to cost you one MySQL call per comment you want to show, you want to show the last 20 comments? Ok, that's 20 MORE database calls. Meanwhile vBulletin creates pages with 9 queries total. What happened to "CODE is POETRY"? Good code may be poetry, but WP's looking like a procedurally verbose rant! The leaders saw dollars and Automattically abandoned Wordpress as an open source project.

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