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2.9 my story. (26 posts)

  1. sodypop
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    so i hear all this great stuff from wordpress about 2.9.
    i login to my dashboard and see the prompt to upgrade. i hit auto upgrade and my site exploded.

    running the auto update destroyed the db i have which sadly just included hundreds of entries for a remix contest we are running. it took me awhile to see what the issue was, so after spending hours and hours running through disabling plugin folders, changing version numbers in sql, forcing db upgrades staring at a blank site screen and getting insufficient permission errors i finally had to have my host restore me.

    $125 later i am back to a version of my site that backed up in october. although i have all the contest entry files, i have no contact information for any of them due to the db getting destroyed.

    i have been using wordpress for years and run 3 sites using it, i also have 2 client sites on it. yes, shame on me for not backing up everything right beforehand, after all the successful years with WP, i just trusted everything would work. never again will i do that. is 2.9 ready for primetime? judging by the forum issues i would say not. don't get me wrong, ultimately it's my fault for not backing up, but i have never had so many issues with a wordpress release.

  2. Tara
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Based on my experience of past couple days updating from 2.86 to 2.9, I must say that WP rushed 2.9 - apparently not enough thought process went into realeasing it. This is arrowgance. Which causes lots of unnecessary frustration, anguish, and headach for those who maintain blogs.

    Sorry, but this is my opinion based on my experinece.

  3. Samuel Wood (Otto)
    Tech Ninja
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I've upgraded dozens of sites to 2.9. None of them has had the slightest issues.

    In any new release, there's always a few dozen people who post on these forums saying "New WP version sucks! My site is broken now!" and so on. You have to understand that this is normal. Some percentage is always going to break. No amount of testing will prevent that, there's too many installations out there.

    And on these forums, we tend to get people with problems, not people who don't have problems. So the noise level is always high.

    WordPress 2.9 is stable and fine. I can't tell you why your site exploded, but this is always a possibility with any software changes. Always backup.

    BTW, if you used any sort of auto-installation mechanism to install the blog instead of installing it yourself, this often causes breakage to occur on upgrades later. DO NOT USE AUTOMATIC INSTALLERS. Ever. Not GoDaddy's, not Fantastico, not anybody else's. WordPress can't upgrade something that is different from what it is expecting.

  4. Tara
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Good to know otto42 that you did not have "the slightest issue".

    And thanks for the good advice "DO NOT USE AUTOMATIC INSTALLERS. Ever." I will remember That.

  5. op351net
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Guys, I've just found a solution for WP2.9: reinstall my last version WP2.8.6!!!!!

    Wow... After this tsunami I will be carefully paying attention to the world and I will only upgrade after I read more than 100 to 500 opinions in favor of next WP version (whatever that will be). What a crash...

  6. iggyz
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I can tell you I didn't use the auto installer. Haven't since they released it. Because it caused nothing but drama. That said lets keep a few things in mind. I used an FTP to upgrade always do. 2.9 caused a major problem for me. End story. Please don't start screaming about free produced on own time etc either.

    Moderator or not screaming at those needing help solves nothing. Yes new builds no matter how well they are tested will have users who have problems. I'm aware of this from years of providing support help online and doing beta testing. Whether you feel it is the case or not. To me there currently are a high number of users experiencing problems. This means the issues need addressed. So far I've only seen a couple of threads here that come close to trying to do that.

  7. engloy
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I went through the same anguish when I updated from 2.7 to 2.8. My webserver got corrupted. Even in the directories where my blog files weren't residing on. Hence the importance of backing up -- although that is in itself, another pain.

    I'm holding back on my blogs now before upgrading to 2.9. Waiting for 2.9.1 might be a good idea, too! :)

  8. henkholland
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    http://wordpress.org/download/counter/ it is at 427,031 for version 2.9 so indeed, the number of problems here is relatively small.

    Still, if your site is important to you, always use a test site to test a new version: http://wordpress.org/support/topic/343132?replies=3

  9. chartinael
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I agree, people who blame WP for issues just don't get it ... its a website, it will cost time (and possibly money) - that's why plugin developers ask for kind donations for their plugins ... btw - where is the donate for wp developement button?

    Anyhow, how do I suggest to upgrade?

    - first backup database
    - then download just prior to upgrading all your files to local maschine
    - for the hell of it do an xml export as well
    - deactivate all plugins
    - upgrade automatically
    - reactivate all plugins (easily found in recently active plugins - all bulk action stuff)

    - go to my file which tells me what all I have changed in the core files and enter my code (yes, I do that, shame on me)

    and voila, see if it has kinks anywhere.

    This is the absolutely most rudimentary doofus upgrade strategy for the basic user (like myself). If anything goes wrong, you can just reinstate a prior wp release and upload all your files and import your db and you are good to go - will still take time and effort, however. So do it when you have time to deal with any issues arising out of any upgrade.

  10. Roy
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I've had minor issues upgrading in my time, caused by the WPAU plugin, file permissions or an FTP hickup, but I never had the idea the new version of WP was the problem. Some people like to think it is, always. Many things can go wrong, but out of 430,000 downloads, how many people come here with problems? What percentage would that be? Do you still think it's WP? I'm a lazy user, especially since the auto-upgrade. I just make an export and hit "upgrade automatically" (don't tell anyone). All sites upgraded (5 of them) in about 15 minutes, not one hickup (not a serious one at least), but of course I only do that when I have the time if something should happen.

  11. rlolson1
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I am one of those who are having an "issue," and who doesn't appreciate being yelled at by Otto. I am a long-term user of WordPress, and have never had the slightest problem I couldn't work out. Now my comments have disappeared from below the posts, even though they are still in the db. I'm going back to 2.86 from this wonderful, stable release until this issue is resolved.

  12. Robert Chapin
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Count me among the people who downloaded 2.9 and never installed it. That might help your percentage a bit. ;)

  13. vegasrenie
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    After having all kinds of adventures with brand new versions of WP, I learned to wait for the .XX fixes. It's inevitable ... my secondary sites upgrade beautifully with no problems whatsoever, but my main site always has, um, *issues.*

    So I'm reading and have decided to wait. It's the only thing that makes sense for my situation. Obviously, most people don't have problems. And with four sites, including a couple of sandboxes, I don't either. But it's just the *one* that always gives me fits.

  14. paulaeisenberg
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Like vegasrenie, I'm waiting a bit before taking the leap from 2.8.6 to 2.9. I was even running 2.9 rare on a test site and had no trouble, and upgraded 3 other sites successfully. But my "main" site is a busy online community newspaper, and I have to take things really slowly and carefully. I have a lot of plugins on that site, and many widgets working to make WordPress behave like a real CMS. The other sites I successfully upgraded are much simpler in their construction, with many fewer plugins and widgets.

    I shouldn't need the Scissors plugin after 2.9, anyway!

  15. @mercime
    Volunteer Moderator
    Posted 4 years ago #

    WordPress 2.9 is a major upgrade. WP and WordPres Multi-User codes are merging by version 3.0 and new functions have been added to WP.
    In a nutshell
    - You MUST Backup Databsse and server files and folders.
    - You SHOULD disable all plugins (you could keep maintainance mode plugin on)
    - You MUST RUN http://yoursite.com/wp-admin/upgrade.php after uploading WordPress files and folders because a new database table, commentmeta, will be created
    - You SHOULD activate plugins one by one. You might like to check compatibility in WP repository prior to activating the plugin.
    - If any plugin activated renders white screen either in front end or backend (admin) deactivate it by renaming/deleting the plugin folder via FTP or cpanel.

  16. rlolson1 - You were very smart to BACK UP your blog before upgrading :) Notice how many people are bitching because they didn't? The auto-upgrader even tells you to back up.

    Otto's not yelling at anyone, he's stating the obvious.

    I'm going to make numbers smaller so maybe people get an idea what's happening here.

    10 people build WP 2.9
    100 people test the nightly builds.
    1000 people test the RCs
    100,000 people use the FINAL build

    You see the gap there? The people who test found LOTS of problems before the rest of us every get there. I pick up the tests on the RC version usually to test my plugins, but even then I didn't have any issues on my test site and I had a couple http.php issues on my live site.

    This is inevitable. This happens with every single piece of software in existence. Even Microsoft has this problem. You simply cannot test everything.

    I'm testing 2.9.1 Beta1 right now and opening tracs to help out. You can too :) And we simple users would love the help!

  17. engloy
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    My experience (after the previous nightmare that was upgrading from 2.7 to 2.8)...

    Upgrading five blogs on the same host from 2.8.6 to 2.9. Four went ahead without a hitch. On the last one, I got a 500 Internal Server error message from the webhosting service.

    Tried to get back in... kept gettting a maintenance message. Decided to upgrade manually. Worked without a cinch except for a message saying that the previous automated update did not complete (even though I was already using 2.9!). Eventually got rid of the message by doing an automated reinstall.

    Total time taken: 3 hours (including time taken to backup my databases prior to pressing the button). Not too bad considering the few days my sites were down when I did the last big upgrade from 2.7 to 2.8 :)

  18. shellius
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Do the WP developers have any idea how most users hate the upgrades? Really despise and dread them?

    I hate the upgrades.

    WordPress is always change for the sake of change. I install a new version, fix whatever is wrong with my database afterwards, (it's usually something like the size of the database or something minor but annoying) and then 2 weeks later, another upgrade, more fixes, etc. What are all these upgrades gaining the user but more headaches? For about a year now I've wanted to stop upgrading but then the plugins stop working or something else. The users don't need all these upgrades. The developers are drinking too much Red Bull or something is making them overly hyperactive. Please, please stop "improving" something that works and let us just USE it.

    I'm not upgrading any more. I'm sick of all these problems every single time!

    At the moment I can't even use my admin panel and can't find a way to fix it. Maybe I'll just move to Typepad or something that isn't upgraded so damn much.

  19. rainer23
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I'm using wordpress for years and never had major issues. What I learned from senior webmasters to wait when new upgrades are released and carefully read the forums of wordpress specialists. Main problem I see, the different server configurations of all those providers around the world. At our region, almost all servers have, "safe mode on". So the wordpress developers can hardly test all those different scenarios when a new wordpress engine is installed on a specific server. Is the wordpress software able to properly write all those entries into the database or are some functions blocked by the server configuration? Are too many plugins causing trouble? At the last upgrade to 2.8.6 I had to ask my provider to extent the server's cache memory from 16 MB to 64 MB. Now it says, 2.8.6 is using at an average 31 MB cache memory. Could be like any OS, that requires 20% free memory cache to function properly, that the wordpress engine doesn't work properly when it's getting tight with cache memory.
    Good thing is, all issues are solved so far, just be patient. Some things take a bit of time to be identified.

  20. war4gamerz
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    IO installed a fresh 2.9.1 WP for a site (www.thereikishare.co.uk). Everything went ok as a fresh site did. the 500 error I get is with plugins. There arew some plugins, that take a few activations for them to activate. Others that are reporting as working with 2.9 are not activatying at all.

    I'm new to WP, and only have a few sites, all fresh installs, and no updates. Is my 500 error as plugin compatability problem, or a 2.9.1 problem??

    Thanks :D

  21. kaotik
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    How does a version jump from 2.8.6 to 2.9/2.91? It's like celebrating a birthday and jumping from 25 to 31.

  22. jonradio
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Version.Release.Modification Level is how the numbers work. With WordPress, a change in Modification Level means bug fixes, usually security-oriented.

    A change in Release means new functionality and maybe some look/feel.

    A change in Version is a major initiative, usually accompanied by a new Vision.

    And thus it has always been. I started my Computing career in 1971, and IBM already had the same numbering system for their software.

  23. kaotik
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Interesting, thanks for the clarification Adiant :)

  24. Samuel B
    moderator
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I am one of those who are having an "issue," and who doesn't appreciate being yelled at by Otto.

    get a grip - nobody yelled at you

    If you folks don't want to upgraqde - don't. But don't come back here whining your site was hacked when there is a security release.
    All upgrade problems can be avoided/overcome by backing up - that simple.
    Sorry if you're really sensitive and think i'm yelling.

  25. macgordon
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    Dear all samboll - I'm still on a learning curve but enjoyed all the stories and the tips! I did backup my MySQL database but now that I need it I can't figure out how to use it... but hope I can get my Dashboard & blog site back up in the meanwhile & hopefully with samboll's help...

  26. batrachoid
    Member
    Posted 4 years ago #

    I'm very curious as to why anyone would think Otto42 was "yelling." Besides the fact that his response was written, not spoken, he didn't reply using ALL CAPS or any exclamation points.

    Regarding new versions of wp: Every problem I've experienced since I started working with wordpress two years ago, including dozens of installs and upgrades, I've always traced back to a mistake on my part. I don't mean forgetting to backup anything or read the forums, I mean I did something wrong and the fault was completely mine.

    May I also remind everyone that plugins and themes can't be updated to be compatible with the next version of wordpress until it actually exists? Therefore, any you have installed should be considered outdated until proven otherwise.

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