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2.7 New admin interface (50 posts)

  1. Jowy
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Ok, where did you guys hide the "view site" button?
    This is quite unconfortable to use. Also the "Howdy *username*" line looks...out of place. What about adding a top 100%width div for that?
    Anyone agree with me ?

  2. MichaelH
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    The view site link will be back soon according to Ryan Boren (I believe he posted that on the wp-testers email list).

  3. poorfish1
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Having tried the 2.7beta, I hate the Nav UI you all rave about. Those nice little UI thingies on the left side are atrocious. The previous UI allowed the user to see plainly on words what to click on for which result at the top of the page. Now the user has to scroll down to find the desired item. Worse, the UI jumps back up the page, forcing the user to scroll down again to pick another item from the same sub-menu! Even the color scheme sucks. It is so light than it forces the user to sit closer to see what to pick, Take some clues from Apple's UI Guidelines, and stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

    If you can make elements customizable on the dashboard, then make those on the Nav UI also. Stop forcing the user to scroll.

    Some seem to think the less distraction the better when writing in WP. Fine. Go all the way then - use a bare-bones text editor and paste the result into WP. Else give the rest of us an option to return to the top menu bar.

    Get rid of the Post revisions Crap (yeah, I know a lot of you refuse, but there are a whole lot of us who want that option). Or at least make it useful and deletable. As it stands it is confusing. Which revision is which - time stamps are meaningless. What am I supposed to make of a non-editable screen? Select something and paste it into the current? Restore the whole when I only want one paragraph? Which old revision paragraph is different from the current?

    If ya gotta do this Revision thing at least use Word's form or something like that - at least that's marginally useful.

    What you are creating is an online word processor with a lot of bells etc. Stop trying to jam every thing together, if that's your aim. Get back to the basics: speed, usability, and so on. WP has plenty of features already, adding more just because they are neat or cool does nothing useful for the writer.

  4. Jen Mylo
    Key Master
    Posted 5 years ago #

    If you only have the navigation expanded for the section you're in, you shouldn't have to scroll.

  5. adriatic
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I'm new to these forums but a longtime WP user on client sites and I've gotta say, i'm astounded that i haven't come across outrage over the new 2.7 interface. One of the things that drew me to WordPress a few years ago over other options at the time was it's clean and simple text based interface.

    With Happy Cogs interface redesign for 2.5, WP hit a design zenith for myself and my users. In my opinion it was a great refinement of the simple typographic ethos (this is 'Word'Press after all). and really set a benchmark for Blog and CMS usability. Here we are barely 8 months later and it's being ploughed under for a committee designed hotchpotch of desktop style interface elements which leave me - and are sure to leave all of my present clients, bewildered as to how to achieve simple tasks.

    All of my screenshot and video tutorials are now useless. If i redo them, how long does 2.7 stay for until another 'radical' overhaul? ...bit of a rant i know, but it's a bit of a disappointment.

  6. Familiar
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Interesting. I much prefer the current design. As far as interface paradigms go, I find it more intuitive than the last revision.

  7. Of course the problem being new users may find this easier, but some old users may find it harder, having memorized the old version.

    Course I could never find anything without poking around on the old version anyway.

  8. Hiranthi
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Just installed 2.7b3 to see it for real and although I did like the design in screenshots, I dislike it IRL..
    Why must the interface always be 100% wide?? I have a 24" widescreen and I always have my windows maximized, which makes the admin interface look terrible, and the navigation is just way too narrow compared to the rest of the interface.
    Will it be 'easy' to change the interface its design (like now with plugins)?

  9. eremiticlife
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Yeah. I installed the Leopard "Mac" interface plug-in specifically to get rid of the WP interface and go with something more useful and easy on the eyes. I might have preferred a bit more color, but the new WP2.7 interface rocks over the old one.

  10. WPspider
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Personally, I'm good with the new interface layout. It's nothing new that a certain percentage of people do not like to change things. I think you see this same sort of thing every time a new Windows workstation version comes out. People adjust. Life goes on.

    Anyway... on to issues.

    I'm wondering if there is a reason why ID numbers aren't ever displayed anywhere. I know I can hold my mouse over the link and get it there, but it seems like the kind of thing that would be displayed somewhere - especially for categories.

    Well, that was pretty much it. Happy Thanksgiving!

  11. geofftswin
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    what's the point of the "view site" button?
    I have the admin panel open in one tab in IE/Firefox/Opera and the site itself in another. Make changes in 1, click refresh in the other and "Bob's your uncle".

    Personally, I'm getting used to the new interface and can't say that it's particularly worse or better than the old.

  12. MichaelH
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    WPspider - yes not seeing ID had been a complaint. Not sure why they didn't add that as one of the Screen Options, but the request (Trac Ticket 6315) to add IDs to the UI is still open so add a comment there if you are inclined.

  13. junap
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    The concept behind the 2.7 interface is sound, but I have to say the execution lets it down a bit. It needs a lot of polish.

    The previous version was clean and well spaced, but there's a lot of noise and unintuitive UI in 2.7b3.

    Some initial observations:

    • Menu typography is serifed, while everything else is sans. This looks like a mistake, rather than intentional style.
    • The pale grey everywhere looks anaemic. A little colour to prioritise the current task/section would help a lot.
    • The menu icons don't actually help as visual shortcuts. I need to read the text to interpret them.

    edit: just exported the latest copy from svn out of curiosity and found a good few of my points addressed! I've truncated my list accordingly.

  14. fzeidan
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    These are minor things that can be quickly fixed with a plugin, modifying the css, or in later minor releases.

    I would definitely rather have an early release than see admin page redone.

  15. mikeboy3
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I agree with junap, a Sans-Seriff in the menu titles would look much better. It does need a little colour, that was something that 2.6 had to perfection, the contrasts between grey, blue and orange where something to behold, now it just looks plain.

    Oh, and there is only a preview button on the post edit/publish area, there is no "View post" after you publish it.

  16. gpo1
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I like the new WP interface, lets give it a chance to work!
    I like the quick post section,it would be nice if you could post using SMS?

  17. demetris
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    @junap:

    The menu icons don't actually help as visual shortcuts. I need to read the text to interpret them.

    I made a plugin just for that. :-)

    Tangofy — A plugin for WordPress 2.7
    http://op111.net/p65

    See if it helps you for now.

  18. doog
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I like the new interface. Knowing the geeks that created it, the whole durn thing will be customizable shortly. :-D Ye gods, for free yet! Hugs all around (even thems that don't like it).

  19. adriatic
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Yeah, point doog. As much as I feel 2.7 is all good theory, but practically poor, i'm still keeping the faith. Gotta love WP, hugging it out.

  20. redcleo
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I think I can adjust to all of the changes except for one. The Post Editor automatically loads in HTML, and when I switch to visual (in which I do the majority of my composing), my text turns white. I can see it if I highlight it, but that's it. Plus, then I can't switch back to HTML mode without saving the post first. Clicking on HTML simply does nothing.

    I disabled some plugins that I thought might be the culprit, but that hasn't fixed it. I am seriously lost as to what to do about this.

  21. redcleo
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    FYI, thanks to the comments on another topic, I did deactivate most of my plugins to the point where I had fixed the problem. Then I reactivated them one at a time, just like it was suggested, and found that RB Internal Links was the culprit. Definitely try this and see if it works for you!

  22. brink668
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    The new Vertical Menu, makes it so much harder for me to navigate.

    Web 101 you should never have a vertical menu bar ever epspecially for a backend...

    Why?
    Because I constanly have to scroll down to click on things. Yes everything is closed nothing is expanded i just happen to have a lot of things.

    Please bring back the old menu

    my eyes move faster LEFT TO RIGHT than Up and Down...

  23. mendezki
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    To all the speedy reading vertical haters ;) I'd recommend the Admin Drop Down Menu plugin. To all the vertical-lovin'-icon-dislikers, I'd recommend the Hide Admin Icons plugin.

  24. Dave333
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I have to agree with porrfish1, this interface is a mess!

    I installed the lighter menu plugin in the hope to get some functionallity back to the interface. Even though this plugin was not listed in the incompatable plugins list for 2.7 it destroyed 2.7 by completely removeing the admin panel!!!

    Now I can't even access the plugins page to disable that lighter menu plugin.

    This would be my wish:

    WordPress reverts back to the previous versin but incorporates 'lighter menu' plugin. That would be a huge improvement on this horrid and clunky interface of 2.7.

  25. Dave333
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Solution!

    Get rid of the nasty new admin panel altogether and replace it with the 'Admin Drop Down Menu' that mendezki linked to above. This is the 2.7 alternative to 'lighter menu' which was excelent on earlier versions of WordPress.

  26. StrangeAttractor
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Yeah, I've used the Admin Drop Down Menu (and its predecessors) on every installation I've created.

    Drop down menus are intuitive, space-saving, and familiar to everyone because they've been around as long as GUI operating systems have been around.

    Personally, I think that would be the way to go.

    But -- everyone likes something different, and every new admin interface WP introduces (I'm getting dizzy trying to keep track of them) manages to p*ss off a new group of people.

    The ability to customize the working area is a real step forward. Go all the way, and give us the ability to easily customize things like the menus. Or offer it as an official plugin.

    It's a pain for those of us installing WP for clients -- the whole point is that it's supposed to be easy to use. But every time the interfaces are switched, it causes panic and frustration for people who have already gotten used to how to do routine tasks.

    That said, I do think WP is moving towards some ideal. It's been improving a lot in many ways over the versions, but the "reinvent the wheel every other month" is very frustrating to end users.

  27. Dave333
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    A nice balanced summary StrangeAttractor.

  28. Samuel Wood (Otto)
    Tech Ninja
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I think you guys are crazy. 2.7 has the best WordPress interface yet. It's simply awesome, in all respects. There's a few missing minor bits, but they are minor. It's light years better than the 2.5 design was.

    As for those of you frustrated with the mere fact that change happens, well, yes, I see your point, but my advice would be to just relax a bit. Because the 2.7 interface is going to be around a long while.

    The redesign was done for a specific reason: The 2.5 interface *sucked* in many critical ways, and loads of people hated it. Way more than are chiming in about 2.7. I recall several 200+ post threads here about the problems with it.

  29. Dave333
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    Otto42, have you tried the plugin 'Ozh Admin Drop Down Menu' or the earlier 'lighter admin drop menus'?

    These are both far superior to the 2.7 admin interface. What's more, they don't disappear at the drop of a hat!

    I suspect you'll see loads more complaining about 2.7 as more and more people get around to upgrading.

  30. doog
    Member
    Posted 5 years ago #

    I'm with Otto, I like the 2.7 admin interface. I tried the Ozh Admin plugin - not sure why, but it buswrecked* my site, which is the short route to permanent plugin limbo for me. (* as in scrambled my options table, lucky I had a backup). Maybe the next step is themes for the admin panel? Then users could get their OWN appearance 'inside' as well as 'out' - I'd vote for that!

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