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[closed] 2.5 admin backend annoying (177 posts)

  1. chrisdoth
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Providing you've got a back up of your pre 2.5 database its quite simple. A search should throw up a couple of recent threads. I did.

  2. Stephanie Leary
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    FYI, we've now been told that Trac isn't the right place for our discussion, either. My original ticket has been marked a duplicate of the later one, and that one has been closed with the comment that it should be taken the Ideas forum.

    God, how frustrating this is.

  3. jabecker
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Please see this discussion also: http://wordpress.org/support/topic/169595

  4. zigzag
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I'm in total agreement, the new back end is very annoying. It's not a matter of getting used to it as I am used to it now :0) but everything takes a lot longer to do now, nothings intuitive and every thing's all over the place, over complicated and laden down with lashings of oh so sloooowwww javascript.

  5. Sapphire
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I'm trying to come up with a patch or something that would change the "Manage Posts" page in a couple of ways. First, just by copying the version of /wp-admin/edit.php from 2.3.3, I got back the option to sort posts by author, which is hella important for the admin of a multi-author blog. Yay!

    What I did not get back is the old method of displaying the date, which included the exact hour and minute the post was published. I need this feature for future posting, so I don't accidentally put two posts within minutes of each other. But if the old edit-page didn't bring it back, that leads me to think the dev team has changed the actual function that calls the time and date. I'm pretty ignorant about php coding, so correct me if I'm wrong.

    What I can't figure out is which function to edit, or even if it IS a function that's changed the behavior, or what. Can anyone give me even a hint of what I'm looking for?

    Thanks.

  6. Sapphire
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Ha! Never mind. I found it: download this and replace your /wp-admin/edit-post-rows.php with it:

    Sapphire's Edit Post Rows Patch

    I'm continuing to read about writing plugins, but so far I just don't get precisely what I need to do to make things like this into one. I'll keep trying!

  7. Sapphire
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Ignore this post. I thought the above patch wasn't working (and, in fact, it wasn't), but I fixed it now.

    You know, going into the code, I'm surprised 2.5 seems any faster, because the code seems a lot more bloated. I had thought maybe we were losing features to increase speed, but it just looks like a lose-lose situation to me now.

    I'm trying to make this into a plugin, but not having much luck. You can read about that here:

    http://wordpress.org/support/topic/170201?replies=1#post-738271

    And if anyone can help, I'd obviously share credit.

  8. Matt Hill
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I'm logging in while on holiday -- how geeky is that? :-)

    I think we need to face the fact that WP 2.5 is now a bit of a turkey for power users. Personally, I'm looking at Symphony now as it's lean and fast, and it gives me an excuse to finally learn XSLT which I've been putting off for some time. It won't be right for most people and you need a web-host that supports XSLT, but it looks promising. That and Textpattern. For larger sites, many people have recommended Expression Engine which I'm looking into and it's great -- though does require a licence for commercial use.

  9. Georg Kevin Paquet
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    WordPress Dev team, hear us.

    It's nice and good to know that wp 2.5 is way more secure, but it's a pain on how we bloggers work at the back end T_T

  10. greasetender
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I am using the WordPress 2.5 update on one blog and have forgone the update, sticking with WP 2.3.3, for another blog.

    I am definitely not into WP 2.5. The Dashboard/Admin panel seems to be a regression in usability.

    Thus and so, I am reluctant to upgrade, recalcitrant even. What is to become of my WordPress blogs?! Seriously, how long can I go without upgrading?

  11. Matt Hill
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    @Greasetender: You don't have to continue using WordPress. There are plenty of other options out there.

  12. reb_76
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I'm running about 30 wordpress sites for clients right now.

    2 of them have the 2.5 upgrade - and I will not upgrade any others until things get fixed :/

  13. chrisdoth
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    We know there are many other cms solutions out there, but I imagine everyone here really likes wordpress and would like to continue with it. If we didn't care about it no-one would be posting.

    If it comes down to it I will re-upgrade to 2.5 but untill it becomes essential I'll put it off as long as I can, it just seems such a step backwards from a general users standpoint which is a real shame.

  14. whas27
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    A shame to be overlooking the needs of your most fanatical users...

    Is there a precedence for WordPress continuing to provide critical security updates for older, not upgraded versions? I would hope so.

    The frequent whole-sale upgrades, none of which are ever quite easy or painless, should not be forced upon users to get critical stuff fixed.

    It would be very easy to say, "here, file XYZ.php, replace this in your distribution". Of course this can be done right now in a roundabout way by watching the dates on the updates in the code base, but it would sure be nice for there to be a more user-friendly way.

    http://trac.wordpress.org/browser/branches/2.3?order=date&desc=1
    (and so forth)

    I personally agree that 2.3.3 should be kept going for as long as possible. Nothing wrong with it, many think it might be better than 2.5. Think Vista vs. XP...

  15. Matt Hill
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    You all might be interested to know that I emailed Matt Mullenweg asking when he was going to make a public comment on these issues. He said:

    There has been plenty of discussion on the public developer mailing lists. Every release of WP generates polar reactions, to be honest 2.5 hasn't really had any more than we have in the past. We collate the feedback and will be trying a few different approaches to things like categories that people seem to be having the most trouble with.

  16. jackuul
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    So, I gather, the upper echelons just don't give a fork.

  17. Matt Hill
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    You can make of it what you will. I know what I think.

    This recent discussion might give you some more insight. It's certainly made it clear to me that Matt is very choosy about what he responds to -- and how:

    http://onblogging.com.au/2008/04/26/b-is-for-blogging-platform/

  18. ReneODeay
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    So has anyone tried the new update? 2.5.1?
    I used the hacks from Jabecker, and the no-flash-upload plugin from Otto42's post. My edit pane looks very good now. and I can add media now. the drafts are at the top on write page. the 'View this Post' on right is the preview, takes you to new window or tab.

    http://blog.talesofkingtut.com/2008/04/26/wordpress-251-update-again/

    Too much useless/rehash posting in this topic like Otto said. there are some good solutions here, but very tedious to have to scroll and page your way to the answers.
    I'd request those who have come up with solutions to start a new topic and list them and where to get the zips or plugins to fix your edit pages. suggest: "Users solutions to WordPress 2.5 problems"

    Puhlease!
    René

  19. Matt Hill
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    It's a good idea for a solutions thread, but like all threads it will slowly drift down the forum and get lost. It would need to be sticky (ie, it remains at the top of the forum) to make a difference and that seems a difficult thing to achieve around here. Perhaps if you ask a moderator, it might be done?

  20. Sapphire
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    In WordPress 2.5.1, the pre-filled http:// in the insert box is gone back to the way it was in 2.3.3. I'm thrilled, because I was afraid no one would write a plugin for that issue - looks like maybe it was unintentional? Or else they got a lot more complaints than just us. :)

    I've found an admin theme that corrects a lot of my issues with the new interface by letting me set admin width to 100% AND rearrange the admin screen in a particularly useful way:

    http://konstruktors.com/blog/wordpress/227-baltic-amber-colour-schemes-for-your-wordpress-25-administration-dashboard-panel/

    It puts the tags and categories IMMEDIATELY below the write screen where you can't help but see them, and puts everything else useful in the sidebar. It's a great use of space - takes a little getting used to, but I think it's less scrolling and clicking than even 2.3.3.

  21. Sapphire
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Re: ReneOdeay's suggestion.

    Unfortunately, any such thread would need constant updating right now and quickly become as cluttered as this one because people are writing plugins and hacks daily.

    I wrote this post and am editing it as new info comes in:

    http://bluemushrooms.com/tweaks-to-fix-…ess-25-backendtweaks-to-fix-annoying-wordpress-25-backend/

    Not as likely to be found by people, unfortunately.

  22. Panaqqa
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I am thinking I'll be reverting the one blog I've upgraded back to 2.3.3. I've installed a blank 2.5 to just play with to see if I can get things to work, and my suspicions have been borne out: I have yet to be able to upload an image and place it within a post using the 2.5 post page. On the one active blog I have upgraded I have had to resort to using FTP to upload the image, then coding the URL for it into the HTML for the post.

    This one is a real turkey.

  23. whas27
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Look, @ReneODeay,

    while realizing that WP is open-source, it isn't very good policy to tell your users to just shut up and take it...

    There are real issues with the WP "upgrade" cycles, and how they are pushed out. I hope someone hears at least the request to keep releasing critical security fixes for 2.3.3.

    Since your "upgrade" (of supposedly MINOR version #) does cause many issues right off the bat (the list is long, among other things it's lost people's text widgets from what I hear), it might be worth LISTENING to real-world users that have to upkeep this stuff for their own businesses, clients, etc.

    If it breaks stuff (even just some plugins), that does have immediate effects on people and very real $ may be lost.

    I would highly suggest pushing out security and other fixes separately from completely new features.

    BTW, having to roll out yet another "upgrade" (2.5.1) so soon only proves that your first one (2.5) wasn't really ready for prime-time.

    Take a lesson from MSFT, they have a whole class of users/companies that don't want to "upgrade" to Vista yet b/c of too many headaches.

    ---

    Thanks Sapphire for the admin theme link, good stuff. I created a similar layout for myself in 2.3.3 with some private hacks and CSS. Among other things I also added a "Duplicate" button which can be very useful for managing multiple versions of the same page (e.g. for split testing) or posts that are on the same topic (with same tags etc.).

    Sized everything to avoid scrolling and wasted vertical screen real estate. Took a while to get this working...

    Check it out:

    post edit screen - http://businessmindhacks.com/p/post_edit_screen.gif

    and rearranged/tightened 2.3.3 Widget mgmgt screen
    http://businessmindhacks.com/p/widget_mgmt_screen.gif

  24. Ketwaroo
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    the only good thing is that we can start making out some pattern in recent wordpress upgrades. The next major(or even minor) version will <b>always</b> remove something of the previous version that quite a lot of people found to be immensely valuable and add something "new and exciting" that will very likely piss off many long time users.

    sorry, my post isn't very relevant to the current direction of this thread but I'm in a particularly good mood thinking of a friend of mine who is an upgrade fanatic and upgraded to wp2.5 as soon as it came out and how he must be suffering all the woes of the earth with the new posting interface.

    myself I only just downloaded the new 2.5.1 version and have been tinkering it on my local machine(wamp, localhost, that sort of thing).

    I don't supposed we could just take the security fixed files in 2.5 and copy them to a 2.3.3 installation and trim them up a bit to fit? I mean as far as the minutes of the changelog tell us, its mostly to do with the XML RPC thingy and stuff with registrations.

  25. whas27
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I set "disallow registrations" (unless you are trying to use WP as a membership site of sorts), the last thing anyone needs is more registrations... since WP doesn't have some sort of native list management/broadcast to email list, it's not really very useful for reging people anyway.

    If you have multiple authors/etc. let admin register them, etc.

    This plugs many security issues right there.

    Encourage people to get an avatar account from gravatar.com or MyBlogLog, which are fast becoming the standards. Then add avatar support in your comments template, etc.

    (If you are interested in a little WP theme hack to add avatar support in 2.3.3 with 2 lines of code in your theme's comments.php, go here:

    http://businessmindhacks.com/post/two-line-avatar-hack-for-wordpress-comments
    )

  26. StrangeAttractor
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    @whas27

    while realizing that WP is open-source, it isn't very good policy to tell your users to just shut up and take it...

    There are real issues with the WP "upgrade" cycles, and how they are pushed out. I hope someone hears at least the request to keep releasing critical security fixes for 2.3.3.

    [...]

    I would highly suggest pushing out security and other fixes separately from completely new features.

    I totally agree with you -- would like to see security updates as separate from feature upgrades. Submitted this under "ideas" here:

    http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=1293

    Also, there was some discussion of this in the comments following a post on Matt's blog, but from his responses, doesn't look like this is a direction WP is interested in...

    http://ma.tt/2008/04/securityfocus-sql-injection-bogus/

  27. Matt Mullenweg
    Troublemaker
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Thanks everyone for your feedback here. This thread has some negative interaction on both sides, and has gotten so long as to all but a few aren't reading it anymore.

    I'd encourage folks to start new topics, either in the feedback forum or in ideas, for specific ideas and changes, that way the community and developers can start to coalesce around the next version, 2.6.

    In addition to adding features like we always do in 2.6, we're going to be doing some additional experimentation and testing on new interface approaches for power-users in 2.6, and if you're curious to see that I'd recommend following the wp-testers list or trunk. If you've participated in this thread or others and contributed constructive feedback you might even get contacted to do some interface or mockup testing.

    One of the things I've always loved about WordPress is that people disagree strongly on issues, but still come together and have a virtual beer afterward. We take development seriously but still keep the perspective that it's software, not a matter of life and death. It helps that the plugin system allows almost anyone to have their own personal WP experience. (We also watch the popularity of interface-modifying plugins as a form of feedback, so supporting and running a plugin is a great way to get your message across.)

    Thanks again for all the feedback, good and bad. Over the 5 years of WP I've developed a thick skin so I don't take it personally. (Believe it or not, 2.5 was one of our less controversial releases!) Even in some of the more emotional replies there is useful information, and I can't wait until you guys start trying out the new stuff.

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