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[closed] 2.5 admin backend annoying (177 posts)

  1. vintagepretty
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    It would be nice to think that a WordPress "official" was reading these comments and giving some feedback - or listening to our calls to have a "go back to classic view" option on the backend.

    Gods of WordPress - where are you?

  2. snappermex
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Where are the text editing features "b", "i", "link" for bold, italic, link. Am I missing something basic here or doe I need to write in HTML ?

    Interestingly, this reply box for this posting contains these features.. aaaarhhh

  3. Stephanie Leary
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    It would be nice to think that a WordPress "official" was reading these comments and giving some feedback - or listening to our calls to have a "go back to classic view" option on the backend.

    I've just sent a note in to the Kvetch page, in case that does any good at all.

  4. vintagepretty
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I've just sent a note in to the Kvetch page, in case that does any good at all.

    Huzzah! So too have I :) Whether we get any response is anyone's guess. Does anyone think it was just an elaborate and rather long-lasting April Fool's joke? That's the only reason I can see for it!

  5. Sapphire
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Here is what I find annoying:

    The permalink saves as soon as you start typing. Why? Since I never choose a title until I've written the post, now I have to go edit it. This was never an issue before.

    I miss being able to see the time of day on posts in Manage Posts. I future post several posts per day, and need to make sure they're spaced apart.

    I agree that having to scroll to categories is annoying. And counterintuitive.

    And the delete button is next to the save button in Edit Post. I thought that was a huge no-no?

  6. Tony Hunt
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I am not worldly in the way of php-fu, and my css abilities are that of a an infant with a handful of crayolas, but the organization and variable width limitations in the Write>Post and Write>Page areas, in addition to the column arrangement change baffles me. The categorical selection, timestamp, password, comment and ping selections could all easily fit into the very nice and clean post-status window to the right.

    Because of my limitations in changing this arrangement, I'm forced to depend on the opportunities of people with far more ability than I to help make me a happy blogger again. It's not to say that I wouldn't change it myself, but I am simply not far enough along in my education for editing this medium to attempt a self-fix. As i am positive i am simply reiterating the concerns and critiques of others I'll simply pray someone writes a cool 2.3.3 Admin theme for 2.5 :)

    Ciao!

    Tony

  7. Stephanie Leary
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I did a bit of CSS-fu to move the categories. I added this to the bottom of global.css:

    #categorydiv { float: right; clear: right; width: 220px; position: relative; right: -250px; top: -520px; z-index: 10; background: #fff; }
    #tagsdiv, #category-tabs, #category-adder { display: none; }
    #categories-all { height: 20em; margin-left: 0; border: none; }

    Unfortunately that covers up the Related list, but I can't bring myself to care. It also turns off the tags panel (as I mentioned, I don't use those). And I wouldn't count on it working in IE.

    It's a stopgap at best.

  8. tinfoilsoldier
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I upgraded to 2.5, thinking blindly that it would just be better, as all / most previous wordpress upgrades have been.

    I get to the new admin pages, and they are horrible. Each and every task has been made harder and stupider.

    The admin pages were the guts the the blog, the part that worked fast, easy and tons of settings. It didn't matter that the design was utilitarian, it was fast and clean and no-one but you saw it. Now the admin pages are designed for a screen resolution not known to man, and I don't like having to scroll through it.

    I don't want to have to revert to last weekend's backups to fix this.

  9. vintagepretty
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I did a bit of CSS-fu to move the categories. I added this to the bottom of global.css:

    #categorydiv { float: right; clear: right; width: 220px; position: relative; right: -250px; top: -520px; z-index: 10; background: #fff; }
    #tagsdiv, #category-tabs, #category-adder { display: none; }
    #categories-all { height: 20em; margin-left: 0; border: none; }

    Unfortunately that covers up the Related list, but I can't bring myself to care. It also turns off the tags panel (as I mentioned, I don't use those). And I wouldn't count on it working in IE.

    It's a stopgap at best.

    I'm not sure if I'm doing it right or not but I stuck that at the bottom of global.css (with my incredibly basic knowledge of where these files reside on my server), uploaded the new version and nothing happened. Was I supposed to use the curly-brackets to surround the code?

  10. Automatic
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    It took a couple of days to get used to the new layout/color scheme.

  11. Stephanie Leary
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I'm not sure if I'm doing it right or not but I stuck that at the bottom of global.css (with my incredibly basic knowledge of where these files reside on my server), uploaded the new version and nothing happened. Was I supposed to use the curly-brackets to surround the code?

    No, but you might have to hold down the shift key while you refresh the Write screen, if your browser had the old CSS file cached.

  12. ericr23
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Sapphire nails my perception. The new admin appears to be for casual bloggers does not consider high-volume blogs. Our site includes a few active blogs. I reverted to 2.3.3 for the high-volume one, because that editor found himself having to expend more scrolls and clicks in 2.5, significantly slowing him down (and he doesn't have to use the uploader much).

    For the others (one or so posts per day or so), I moved and edited a few things in edit-form-advanced.php.

    I still hate the uploader hijacking the page. And when I click to insert the code there's a brief moment of panic about where the cursor might have been when.

  13. ericr23
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Another major complaint my editor had was not having drafts listed on the Write page.

  14. domramsey
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I can't believe that someone thought it was a good idea to release 2.5. It's just *awful*.

    The developers have confused "simple to look at" with "simple to use". The pale colours make it difficult to quickly pick out different parts of the interface, certain key tasks take more clicks, I have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to edit categories, etc... clicking "Save" seems to randomly take me to a different page each time I click it.

    I really wish I hadn't "upgraded" and have started actively warning people away from WP, which is a real shame.

  15. codeman38
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    One thing that really threw me... am I the only one who thinks that it's more intuitive to go to Manage - Media Library to add media to the library, rather than doing it via the posting page? This would particularly make sense if there are media you're planning to use in multiple posts. I don't see why it'd hurt to have the option in *both* places...

  16. Stormsguard
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    To be honest i like the new look dashboard, though it took me a while to get the hang of it.

    For me the biggest issues is the widgets. Drag and Drop widgets were my fave, and now they're gone. I used to have 5 or 6 text widgets whgich would go in rotation as things changed. I can't do that anymore since it only allows me to edit 1 widget at a time, and as soon as i remove it from the side bar it's deleted.

    I'd move back to 2.3, only i don't know how. I'm just hoping the next update fixes this, otherwise i'll have to start looking for another platform

  17. Evita
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    You can put this code

    '#poststuff #categorydiv {
    width: 380px; position:absolute; top:11%; left:44%; background:#fff; z-index:100;
    }'

    at the end of your global.css. This places the category-div beside the text "Write Post". Works in FF2, IE7 and Opera 9.2. You can see it here.

  18. ericr23
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    To move back to 2.3.3, I just copied all the 2.3.3 files back in to the directories. BUT USERS CAN NO LONGER LOG IN. The passwords are no longer usable, so you have to restore them in MySQL Admin (or however you might access the database). Instructions are here. I only had 5 users to reset (and only a couple of them actually active), but it would be rather tedious for a much larger number.

  19. ajg
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I have to agree with all the previous negative comments about the WP2.5 admin UI. As I mentioned before in http://wordpress.org/support/topic/159760#post-705609 , WP 2.5 admin UI is a total frack up!
    Please fix the admin UI! It SUCKS!
    :(

  20. Matt Hill
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I upgraded to 2.5 for some nice features that I wanted on one particular site I'm building, and I'll stick with it for that site. But I'll stick with 2.3 for my other blogs as a lot of the new stuff is simply badly designed. Chiming in with my own observations:

    1) I agree with many posters here: moving categories and some of the other things from the sidebar to below the Write panel is really, really dumb. This stuff was easily accessible in the sidebar before, now I'm constantly scrolling about to find what I need to do, and a load of useful space on the side of the screen is now wasted.

    2) Automatically creating a permalink as I start typing is also stupid. Serious bloggers wnat to create post slugs themeselves and often the title of the post won't be the slug. Why should I have to edit something I didn't want in the first place? This was a silly choice.

    3) The media management is really bad. I thought it would be a proper tool: you know, like I could actually use it to, oh, I don't know, manage my media? Why then can't I add new media through it's menu option? I can't stand having to go into a post just to add some new media items, that's really, really dumb, esepcially if I want to use them in multiple posts. I had also hoped to see some of Flexible Upload's features in there: being able to specify a thumbnail size on the fly and also whether to use the width or height to resize against. While I think the new uploader IS better, it's still missing a load of useful features.

    I don't reallyknow what's going on with Happy Cog these days. They are a well respected agency, yet after Zeldman's recent "stance hopping" on IE8's traget switching behaviour, and this rather odd "upgraded" of WP, I'm beginning to wonder if they are losing the plot a little.

  21. Monika
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    colors are colors and this are easy to change, if someone would like to have grey instead of *pinky blue* ;)

    but this Admin GUI is not usability. Scroll down to fill out all necessary fields and after this scroll up to save or publish.

    if Zeldmann thought this is a new way how we have to define usability I'll give up my job ;)

    widgets are for all of us who can't or wouldn't code. now nobody can't see what he has done. click here and there and everywhere is the new way to manage widgets.

    I hope you all have a very new and pretty mouse to do all this clicks;)

    *our new mediathek* is the best -- so was the marketing for WP 2.5.

    maybe! but it doesn't work for more than half of our wp users.

    filosofos old plugin for the upload WP 2.3.3 and versions before was the best.

    upload- define the width and height of the thumb, define left or center or right-and move to the editor.

    why it is necessary to have a gallery in the backend?

    write a post.

    1. fill in the title
    2. type your text
    3.scroll up to upload a photo
    4. scroll down to fill tags, categories, customs fields,
    5.scroll up to safe -to see the preview of this post

    6.publish

    scroll up-scroll down-scroll up

    is this the modern way of sport for our mouse ;)

    11 clicks and copy and paste to move a text widget from sidebar 1 to sidebar 2 ==> thats the new way of usability

    I can't believe it - I can't.

    kindly regards
    Monika

  22. ericr23
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I've edited 2.5's edit-form-advanced.php to make writing posts more efficient. Here's a screen shot.

    I had added the $saveasdraft ("Save and Continue") button, but it did not behave correctly.

    Click here for a copy. BACK UP THE ORIGINAL FILE FIRST! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! Reports of improvements are very welcome.

    I did not alter any other file (i.e., CSS files), using only local style directives. I still can't stand the media uploader, but it is not used much on our high-volume blog.

  23. bryan868
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    Ericr23, you should DEFINITELY release this as a plugin!

  24. Stephanie Leary
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    ericr23, you're my hero. Your mod works great with the Fluency plugin, FYI.

  25. jabecker
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    OK. I've rearranged edit-form-advanced.php so it's usable. I've hacked the media upload so it does what I want.

    But I'm still incredibly annoyed that it takes so many clicks to even see what drafts I have saved. Why aren't they listed at the top of the Write panel?

  26. Darkpress
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I downgraded. Happy again. :-)

  27. lelion
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I second the opinions that the move of almost everything in the 'Write' section from the sidebar to the bottom of the page is not a usability improvement, nor it is a time-saver!

    Please, move everything back to the sidebar, because the 'Write' page is much easier to use this way: main text & title to the left, category, date, allow/disallow pings/comments, post password, etc. - to the right. This saves time, and reduces un-needed scrolling.

    I am a WP user since version 2.0.5 (since January 2007). If the sidebar is not restored almost the way it was before 2.5 was released, I'll have to downgrade all of my blogs, or simply hack WP, as editing the admin CSS styles won't help move the panels to the sidebar, unfortunately... :(

    Thanks for listening:)))

  28. webgranny
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I upgraded ONE blog because there were nag notes saying Please. I won't do any others until some of this is ironed out. I do not like the new format. WordPress has become increasingly difficult to use with each upgrade. I have never used peculiar templates, but worked with their classic template and different colors, etc. However, the write dashboard has become more and more confusing. Is there a paid feature coming or something that is preparing by thinning out the user base? Or requiring us to have a 'professional' wordpress geek install and work on everything.

    If you don't want us uploading and storing photos, just say so. Then, make a reliable linking system to whereever we have them posted online. I'm one of those who didn't even get the gallery option, plus old photos are gone. Glad this is a short blog without a lot of photos.

    I also came here from blogger because I liked the self-hosting option. Now, I have to learn to live with increased difficulty or learn Joomla. :( Things could be worse, and they are headed there.

  29. mystifier
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I don't want to sound ungrateful because I really have been grateful for WordPress, but given that 2.5 renders so many plug-ins useless, it is a wasted opportunity.

    I like that the editor can now be toggled full-screen but generally, there seems to be SO much wasted space.

    It definitely feels that categories should be to the right of the edit area... it seems a lonnggg way down. Especially seeing as to the right is the massive published status area, which I am sure would fit into 32 pixels square, and the publish date where any attempts to change it are completely ignored any way.

    I am still a WordPress fan but it is definitely one steps forwards two steps back.

  30. rforster
    Member
    Posted 6 years ago #

    I'm pretty new to WP and overall I love it. But:

    I should be able to add pictures to a folder or gallery or whatever without messing with the post or page.

    The world is going WIDE. Things off to the right was nice.

    Where is my draft button?

    Haven't figured out the new plugin thing yet. Was the drag and drop too simple to use? JK :) Was cool how it worked.

    Thanks for a great product.

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