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1. ThePopulist
   Member
   Posted 2 years ago #

   Hi Gang,

   A question for you guys. My host runs cPanel. and it uses Fantastico by Netenberg Inc.

   What I'd like to know is, when this new release comes out, how long will it be before Fantastico will pick up on that, and I will be able to install the update? or do they even provide that for people that run wordpress?

   Reason why I'm asking is, I'm scared to death of nuking my blog, like I did last time. Those scripts make life so much easier.

   I guess I'm asking, what is the process? do you all notify Netenberg Inc.'s people and they write a script for the update, or what?

   I'm just wonderin'...

   Thanks a bunch.

   -Chuck

2. themesbycal
   Member
   Posted 2 years ago #

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastico_(web_hosting)

   That has some good information...

   I think that Fantastico probably goes at it's own pace.....but I'm not entirely sure.....

   edit: well that link didn't work out too well...lol

3. ThePopulist
   Member
   Posted 2 years ago #

   I asked the same question in Netenberg Inc.'s forum as well, I have yet hear anything...

4. ThePopulist
   Member
   Posted 2 years ago #

   heh... no replies there yet either.... everyone is playing dumb.... kinda like Republicians today!

   (did I say that?) hehe

5. MichaelH
   moderator
   Posted 2 years ago #

   Fantastico is usually pretty quick with getting updated to the latest version.

   With that said, I encourage you to do the upgrade yourself. It really is easy and if you do backups you have something to fall back on.

   Resource:
   Upgrading WordPress

6. ThePopulist
   Member
   Posted 2 years ago #

   I've read it various occasions and I couldn't get it to work. When Mr. Matt decides to get off his pompous A$$ and write some damn instructions that make some god damned sense, I'll do an manual upgrade. I don't understand where I'm even supposed to upload the damn files to, he doesn't explain that.

   that's because ol' matt thinks every one is supposed to just friggin' know it all, sorry, some of us ain't software programming geeks.

   -Chuck Adkins
   The Adam Corolla of Wordpress.org

   P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4hacmvSPaI is a funny video... about how I feel about Matt right now...

7. ThePopulist
   Member
   Posted 2 years ago #

   and by the way, Matt, if you try and change my password to try and lock me out, ever again... I'll blog about it, so, the world will know about it... Yes, I did get that e-mail, with my new password, ya einstein.

8. Root
   Member
   Posted 2 years ago #

   @ThePopulist: over and above the WP documentation which is pretty good in this regard - I think it is fair to say that no one should be messing with server side software unless either they know what they are doing or they are willing / able to learn. No one handed these skills to any blogger on a plate. The same people generally do not attempt to fly private aircraft or do surgical operations for the same reason. These things need to be learned first. :)

9. ThePopulist
   Member
   Posted 2 years ago #

   that's just it, I am learning.... hands on, I got free cPanel hosting here and I've been looking at the DOCS very heavily... an just tinkering around with the file manager, and the other stuff, just to see how this and that works.

   But I will call you on one thing....

   over and above the WP documentation which is pretty good in this regard

   Bullcrap.

   from the upgrade manual:

   1. Unzip the package in an empty directory.
   2. Open up wp-config-sample.php with a text editor like WordPad or similar and fill in your database connection details.
   3. Save the file as wp-config.php
   4. Upload everything.
   5. Open /wp-admin/install.php in your browser. This should setup the tables needed for your blog. If there is an error, double check your wp-config.php file, and try again. If it fails again, please go to the support forums with as much data as you can gather.
   6. Note the password given to you.
   7. The install script should then send you to the login page. Sign in with the username admin and the password generated during the installation. You can then click on 'Profile' to change the password.

   notice it says...:

   4. Upload everything.

   it doesn't say where... I noticed that the website is a little different. and you have to create the SQL database yourself, and lose all your blog postings... NOT! I'm not doing that...

   I would assume though that this upgrade script updates the sql's without deleting anything...

   Also.... this...:

   Upgrading from any previous WordPress to 2.2:

   1. Delete your old WP files, saving ones you've modified.

   Why? Isn't Matt Smart enough to write a damn script that OVERWRITES files, instead of creating new ones? Or is it that hard of a thing to do? I mean, Jesus H. Christ people It isn't rocket science!

   Consider me unimpressed.

   -Chuck

10. whooami
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Why? Isn't Matt Smart enough to write a damn script that OVERWRITES files, instead of creating new ones?

    Because ftp'ing files isnt a scripted solution. In a nutshell.

    When you use an ftp client, you can do several things, overwrite, append, etc.. to files that already exist. Its not scripted. Its done manually, using a client - a client that you control - not Matt, and not some script.
    
    4. Upload everything.

    it doesn't say where...

    Another "of course it doesnt", and the reason it doesnt is because the wordpress developers dont presume to know where you want to install WordPress -- thats up to you.

    Secondly, if you are upgrading, isnt it a gimme that you upload to where your previous installation is? That seems like common sense to me.

    --

    And if I can make a recommendation -- why not save the personal attacks for your own blog.. You have a space there - use it.

11. podz
    Support Maven
    Posted 2 years ago #

    ThePopulist - the people answering you were not born with this knowledge. They had to learn it - just like you need to learn parts. And they have chosen to share that knowledge here and to do so freely.

    So please be polite.

    If you do not understand just say - but do so nicely. There is no reason for sarcasm or insults. The forums are not the place to rant or otherwise have a pop at people - as whooami has said, you have a blog for that.

12. ThePopulist
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Okay, let me ask you this. I don't claim to know it all, ok? I just don't get things. On this minor security upgrade. I uploaded everything via FTP... I set the remote side to my Public_HTML directory, and on the local side, I set it the directory made from the upgrade I made sure and selected all the files from the main directory (created by the achive... local side..) and the subdirectories. and... it asked me, do you want to overwrite this file, and Instead of answering yes to every one, which would make sane man rather batty in short order. I check the box for all, in other yes to all.. and it uploaded and over wrote said files. and so, I went and ran /WP-Admin/install.php and it told me it was already set up. and that script wasn't needed. (this was for the 2.2.3 upgrade...)

    This is where I learned that one must be VERY careful on the local side, that you don't select the wrong area on the local side, you have to go into the proper folder on the local side, otherwise SmartFTP will create ANOTHER wordpress folder and put dupe files on server, been there, had to to cPanel's file manager, delete the directory of files and do it the right way... banged head against wall, got knots on my head to prove it too... :-)

    let me ask you this, ok? when this next major release comes out, can I do this same thing or will I have to do something different..

    I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just not getting the information that I need, that's all, from doc's that is...

    I hope you guys do get what I'm asking here.

    Chuck

13. podz
    Support Maven
    Posted 2 years ago #

    I never overwrite files. I have a couple of ways I upgrade but I always delete files first. I don't trust overwriting. For many it works every time, and for others they come post here and we'll say to delete the old files first and try again.
    It's how servers are.

    The most important thing - never overwrite or disturb the /wp-content directory. That's got themes and plugins and uploads in.

    Overwriting may well work for you but if after upgrading something looks broken then it could be an overwrite error - in which case repeating the overwrite could work, or you could delete the /wp-admin and /wp-includes directories and then upload new.

14. ThePopulist
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Ah, I see, now we're getting somewhere here... Yeah, I know too well about WP-Content stuff... ugh.. bad memories. I always, save everything in Wp_Content to local drive, in case something goes wonky during FTP upload process.

    I also will say that the ability to back up one's SQL database is a God Send... Bailed me out here a few days ago... Don't ask. It was nasty. Major Operator error.

    -Me

15. podz
    Support Maven
    Posted 2 years ago #

    You could always use a cron job to backup the database every night. Get a gmail account, set the cron and you have heaps of backups.

    Operator error? I meant to delete one directory once and actually deleted the entire domain :)

16. ThePopulist
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Operator error? I meant to delete one directory once and actually deleted the entire domain :)

    Oh man, that's bad. That's really bad.

    I did something similar here a few days ago... got confused, nuked my blog, had to reinstall workpress, via Fantastico and resigned myself to having to rebuild, then it dawned on me, that I did a SQL backup and I restored and everything came back, save a couple of pictures.

    Needless to say, I was quite happy I made that little back up... :)

17. ThePopulist
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    So, I am assuming from this conversation that I can, in fact, update to the new version that's coming out, by just using FTP to overwrite everything, as long as I get it all in the proper places? am I correct in this assumption? or no?

    Thanks,

    -Chuck

18. podz
    Support Maven
    Posted 2 years ago #

    You are correct.

    Backups are good of course :)

19. ThePopulist
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    Ah, Good. Thanks!

    Backups are good of course :)

    You don't know how right you are. :)

20. Root
    Member
    Posted 2 years ago #

    @thePopulist: I think we have all experienced a degree of frustration from time to time. But if you consider your own posts here fairly I think you would agree that a certain lack of familiarity with ftp is making this more difficult than it need be. That is my point. WP does not set out in its docs or anywhere else to teach people basic server side skills. And generally everyone would tend to agree- Matt is pretty smart. :)

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