Is it too much to ask that people actually take the time to be RESPONSIBLE web masters and actually do necessary maintenance on their sites, instead of worrying about a fricken plugin???
C'mon people.
read this:
http://wordpress.org/development/2007/04/wordpress-213-and-2010/
*snicker* You realize that there are system admins (*cough* Road Runner *cough* NetZero *cough*) out there for are still running Bind from years ago and don't understand the need why they shoudl upgrade either.
yes, and it's equally pathetic.
keep in mind that not everyone out there with a site is a webmaster or technical genius. There are quite a few people who use wordpress and other like products because you don't have to be a web wizz to make a site. hell, some are even using auto installed versions of wordpress that hosts like godaddy offer. to get a feature they want, its just easier for them to drop a theme or plugin in and activate. I can see your point if it is a site ran by someone who had the know how, but again, there are many with little to no web skills out there who have sites.
Posted 2 years ago #
I can't understand why people don't upgrade either! I upgrade my site the second the new release comes out! I've seen some websites that are running the first version of Wordpress that came out! UPGRADE PEOPLE!
This is also why a lot of Open Source programs get such bad reps when hackers go after the sites that haven;t upgraded and they gain access.
kahil,
None of what you said makes any difference to me, and if you ask me -- those are the people that shouldn't be using WordPress or Mambo, or b2evolution, or anything similar.
Ignorance is NO excuse.
In My Perfect Internet, those people are relegated to a simple Tripod/Geocities site.
I've made this argument time and time again:
When you get a drivers license, it's expected of you to know how to operate the brakes. You dont get to just push a pedal and steer, you have to be able to do other things as well in order to drive effectively.
When you BUY a car, part of your ownership responsibility includes making sure that the oil is changed, tires are replaced, as needed, etc.. Not everyone knows how to change oil, but they do know that it has to be kept up, and they know they can always entrust someone else to to do it.
Not surprisingly, it seems to be the same poeple -- the ones who just want to be told how to do something, instead of being told where they can LEARN how to do something, that DONT upgrade. The correlation I've made between the posters on here that seem content to be "uneducated" when it comes to CSS, or using an FTP client, for example, and their own sites being compromisable is astonishing.
What people don't realize, wrongly ....
1. .. is that having a web site that uses a dynamic language like PHP requires responsibility. Plain and simple.
2. .. that what they do or don't do affects the rest of the Web. A rooted site just provides one more place for another attack to stem from.
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There's no excuse.
WordPress is the car. And you have to change the oil, you have to lock the doors, you have to apply the brakes.
Or else the car ought to be taken away from you.
a lot of people don't upgrade because they don't perceive anything wrong with the version that they have. as long as it works the way need it to. then there are some who don't upgrade right away because they want to see what bugs come around with the new release. this is something that I do. previous experiences have made it this way for me with WordPress. Now, if its like with this last release where it was done so because of some asshole hacker, then of course, i'll upgrade as soon as I find out and have time. but if its just a general release, i'll read up on the changes and then wait to see what, if any problems/bugs come about. saves me time for if there is a bug and I have to try to downgrade or repair later because of an update.
I should add too, that any "excuses" that are made for people only enables them to continue to be irresponsible. Holding people accountable is a mandate of mine.
I happen to enjoy the WWW. I happen to NOT enjoy that other people feel it's their right to make it a less safe place by running software that's known to be exploitable.
I find that to be abhorant and reprehensible.
Then there are those of us who are not completely statisfied unless they are running not the released versions but the bleeding edge pre release alphas betas etc. Lol thats me i admit it. I used 2.1 from first bleeding till release version and then jumped on the new 2.2 bandwagon lol rollercoasters are fun hehe.
Since so many of us don't want to "hear" that we need to upgrade, I've put together a form that allows web masters to "see" the results of not upgrading to the current version.
The form is located here:
http://www.village-idiot.org/lab/e.php
and it's self-explanatory.
Posted 2 years ago #
I'd love to upgrade. I've been having problems with my site which is one of those where I got my wordpress thru godaddy where they don't offer any support. I also posted to the forums here when I was having problems and after a few days, never got a response.
I'm trying to learn how to do all of this but not knowing if I have followed everything right in doing the back up versus the fear of losing everything I've worked on? Makes me hesitant to upgrade. It's to the point where I realize I'm going to have to change my hosting to a company that will offer support on Wordpress because I can't find anyone local who knows the answers to the questions I have.
So...not all of us who have not upgraded are being irresponsible.
psyche777,
And I respectfully disagree. Fear of breaking your site isn't a valid excuse -- not for me.
Fear of having your site rooted ought to weigh more heavily on you than "losing" it temporarily while you wait for someone to come along on these same forums and answer a question from you.
It's a hard reality to hear, I realize that, but I'm not apologetic for what I am saying. And the intentions are good.
Posted 2 years ago #
Well, if you can't understand that I realize I don't know how to do this and the instructions are not understandable and I don't want to lose a year of work? I guess we aren't even on close to the same page. I want to be able to do it so I don't have to come here and ask for help after I've lost my site.
I'm learning and I will figure it out or switch to a host that will offer support. Obviously you feel we all should know how to do this, I don't. Nor am I ashamed to say I don't understand exactly how to do all of this. I'm a blogger not an expert when it comes to technology. Most of us have had to learn to crawl before we walk.
Posted 2 years ago #
well I've been working at my trying to upgrade all day and its still not done. I am reverting back to the old version AGAIN! I am following the directions and its still not working - This sucks because I put myself on a deadline. I wonder if I am installing my content folder the wrong way, I am just replacing all the files - is that correct?
Posted 2 years ago #
As far as I remember, the wp-content/ folder is the one you should NOT touch during an upgrade... if we are talking about the same thing.
Posted 2 years ago #
I'm gonna try that.
As I stated earlier in this thread ...
In My Perfect Internet, those people are relegated to a simple Tripod/Geocities site.
See the car analogy.
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As for HOW to upgrade -- the codex provides VERY simple instructions.
http://codex.wordpress.org/Upgrading_WordPress#Detailed_Instructions
You have to be able to follow instructions to do this, Makasha.
Posted 2 years ago #
whooami . . those are very simple instructions ONLY if you know what you are doing and know your way around phpMyAdmin, FTP, and this rest of the developement garbage that you and I take as every day work. You should be a little less harsh and recognize that not everyone is as smart as you. After all "it takes a village" Not a village idiot!
Makasha . . . if you continue to have problems contact me and i will walk you through the upgrade. (assuming you are in the USA we could do it via phone if you want.
Michael
michael@netperformancegroup.com
performance,
I'm entitled to my opinion(s) -- and I stand firm in my belief that if someone is unable or unwilling to grasp BASIC Internet technologies (FTP is a wonderful example, and any attempt to compare the complexity of using an ftp client to the complexity of using phpmyadmin is really shortsighted) then they shouldn't be using this software, or they should be outsourcing **all** the work to someone to someone that does.
There is an implied level of knowledge and ability that goes along with using WordPress. The least of which is the ability to follow the instructions.
Smart has nothing to do with it. I drive. In order to drive, I had to learn. After I learned, I got a driver's license.
Would you want to be out on the freeway with me if I didn't know all of the intricacies that go into driving? What if I didn't know how to slow down?
It's called a willingness to learn, to read, to try things, to TROUBLESHOOT when something goes wrong or doesn't work.
I could even argue that there are plenty of dumb people that manage to set up and administer WP just fine.
In fact, you nearly suggest the opposite.
Lastly, your attempted pun wasnt even in context, it doesnt take a village to use WP.
Lmao! I totally agree with Whooami's post(s) here... *cough* (NSFW) #13 here... lmao!
Posted 2 years ago #
And we all know how many cars there are out there on the road that are unregistered, underinsured or worse, uninsured. The cemeteries are chock full of folks who had the right of way. How many people get behind the wheel mentally impaired with drugs or alcohol or both. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah, the car analogy fits to a T. :)
Posted 2 years ago #
Brilliant.......!
So I, (who know nothing) follow the detailed instructions on how to upgrade and this is what I get;
Warning: main(C:\Inetpub\vhosts\scotsheraldry.com\httpdocs\blog/wp-includes/wp-db.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in C:\Inetpub\vhosts\scotsheraldry.com\httpdocs\blog\wp-settings.php on line 100
Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required 'C:\Inetpub\vhosts\scotsheraldry.com\httpdocs\blog/wp-includes/wp-db.php' (include_path='.;./includes;./pear') in C:\Inetpub\vhosts\scotsheraldry.com\httpdocs\blog\wp-settings.php on line 100
Suggestions please
@Tignarius
1. Delete the files recommended in Upgrading WordPress
2. Just in case, download and unzip the latest distribution from http://wordpress.org/download/
3. Reupload the files to your host Uploading_WordPress_to_a_remote_host
4. Then do the upgrade.php step
Posted 2 years ago #
Hi Michael
I have just done it again and this time it worked. I did nothing different the second time, so I ask, why did it not work the first time?
It is problems like this that make users reluctant to upgrade I suspect. Michael H. kindly installed 2.1.2 for me twenty days ago which was a couple of days before 2.1.3 was released. I have not dared to even try to do the upgrade until now that I have been messing around with Wordpress for a couple of weeks.
I am still trying to install plug-ins to make the site do what I would like it to do. I am having an enormous issue with a coppermine integration plug-in but cannot seem to get any help from here or its author. For me, it is worries like this that make upgrading a challenge to say the least.
FTP may not always be 100% reliable so sometimes it is necessary to redo an upload.
I've read that Coppermine integration with wordpress can be quite complex. Maybe another plugin might do the job you need:
Plugins/Images
Posted 2 years ago #
Hi, Whooami.
First of all, I did follow the directions as specified. I deviated from them because they did not work - even the detailed instructions, thats called TROUBLESHOOTING.
Why keep up with posts on a SUPPORT forum if you are gonna be rude? Everyone here should be offering help or asking for it - not insulting people who don't know everything. And no one knows everything - not even you. If you did, you would have been able to at least point me in the right direction.
For anyone else having a problem upgrading, especially if you are on yahoo, please visit the following link:
http://wordpress.org/support/topic/108745?replies=3
The cache folder was causing my problem and it could be yours. I did think it was the .htaccess file because that was the only step I could not complete but following the directions on the link above helped me. I hope it helps you, too.
Thanks for your help Michael.
Posted 2 years ago #
Lmaooooooooo,
I did try to upgrade version before this one 2.1.2. I lost everything. I want to upgrade but upgrade to lose all I have done is just too much of a price to pay.
I have SMF and its childs play to upgrade done it twice, all we have to do is 'backup' then disable any new mods, rewrite over all the files with new and its done. Why can't WP be as easy.
I had WP last year for 'Pondok' but my friend did that upgrade - Anyone want to be a friend...:D
Posted 2 years ago #
The form is located here:
http://www.village-idiot.org/lab/e.php
and it's self-explanatory.
404 :lol:
@makasha
"Why keep up with posts on a SUPPORT forum if you are gonna be rude? Everyone here should be offering help or asking for it - not insulting people who don't know everything. And no one knows everything - not even you. If you did, you would have been able to at least point me in the right direction.
For what's it worth, I started this thread. It's not a support thread. No-one was invited to ask for support in it. That they have doesnt oblige me to answer politely, does it? Can't I ignore them?
I answer support questions succinctly and politely. I also expect that people asking for support can follow read and follow directions.
@ julienne,
thats not a 404, I assure you. It's getting plenty of traffic. if youre getting one than you are probably behind some proxy, or perhaps an IP that Ive banned for spamming.
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