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Multiple languages blogging. A core solution?

  1. web-dev
    Member

    It is very sad, that WPML turned commercial.
    2 AmirHelzer: Could you leave some limited version of the plugin, which is supported by current version of WordPress but have less functionality than commercial one?

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  2. AmirHelzer
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    We're not planning on maintaining a free stripped down version.

    Instead, you can get the 'blog' version, which includes the core functionality, without the elements that are typically needed for larger or more complex sites.

    I don't think that this thread is the right place to discuss our pricing strategy. You can create a new thread about it in our plugin's forum tag:
    http://wordpress.org/tags/sitepress-multilingual-cms?forum_id=10

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  3. VoxAppeal
    Member

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    I definitely agree with the suggestion that WordPress should enable multilingual functionality, perhaps in a simpler format than the comprehensive scope of WPML.

    Maybe WPML should offer to develop this more "basic" functionality with WP, offering the professional "commercial" plugin option alongside? It would also offer a "backup" to the plugin in light of the OP's (and others') concerns about 3rd-party plugin developers defaulting.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  4. Diana
    Expert e diva

    I'm sure that is needed to kraft every post in alternative language if better translation is intend. Quite a lot of work indeed.

    I would like to have a simple feature: WordPress be able to identify visitors language and choose the po file (theme, plugin and admin only) for them. Just that.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  5. VoxAppeal
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    Dianakc, that is possible with just a few lines of php. I use it on my site. It's really quite easy to implement, so I wouldn't be surprised if WP make it available soon.
    The difficulty is that you need the right architecture to begin with. It's difficult coming back & making a site multilingual-friendly if it wasn't designed that way.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  6. Diana
    Expert e diva

    That's nice VoxAppeal! I will look for!

    I think for photoblogs and alike that could be useful, since there's not so much text around, just the theme labels.

    I can't figure out a better way to handle multilang sites beyond that. If your site has text, so you'll have to make your versions, not a big deal I think.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  7. Jonathan Dingman
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    I disagree about moving it to core.

    Multi-language core capability would be useful to some people, but not everyone.

    I, for instance, would never use multi-language, so why would I want it in there in the core? Just extra code fat in there for something I'll never use. It would be quite a bit of code too, not just a few lines of code.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  8. Misamee
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    Firs of all, sorry for my English :)

    @jdingman, YOU are not interested, but I don't see why you should penalize all interested people.
    for instance, I'm not interested on WPMU, but now it has been integrated in to the core code and I believe that this too is "quite a bit of code". However, I wouldn't ever have voted down for this feature, seeing that many people needed it.

    Not even Amir (creator of WPML) did vote down for this idea: and he has all the due interests of keeping this feature out from WP core.

    The problem is that WordPress, like many other scripts, code, softwares, etc, are written by English speakers, living in a English speaking country, and most of the times they really don't think about all the hassle that other countries have to deal with.

    Most of the times, we really NEED to have a multi language site, to provide local language contents and, for instance, English contents to all other users.

    In my specific case, I'm a WPML supporter, as I think is worth the money and I need to publish websites and/or blogs in different languages.

    But frankly I really hope WP will integrate some core features to allow multi language contents (something like SharePoint "variations", but better :) and that Amir (from WPML) will keep providing extensions to this feature.

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  9. bowoolley
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    I agree that we have a tendency to forget that there are gazillions of WordPress users who live in countries that don't have English as a native language. I'm in France, and even though French is well-supported, we still have fewer themes and plugins available to us, and in addition dealing with the po and mo files is kind of a headache, especially when upgrading.

    Five stars from me...

    Posted: 3 years ago #
  10. AmirHelzer
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    WPML's size is about 30% that of WordPress. There are about 1% multilingual sites, so adding this amount of code for the benefit of 1% of the users makes little sense to me.

    I think that WordPress support for other languages should improve first. Today, when you want to run a French WordPress site, you need to download a completely different build from the French subdomain.

    There's no way to see which plugins and themes include complete French localization and downloading these language files is a pain in the bu%#.

    Before you ask WordPress to add multilingual support to core, you should ask WordPress to make it reasonably easy to switch to a single other language. This would be useful for more than half of WP users and is very easy to build.

    We offered to build this code into WordPress, but since we went commercial, WP core contributors don't like seeing us around. That's a pity, because we know exactly what needs be there and we have the resource to complete it quickly and correctly.

    Posted: 3 years ago #

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    Good idea! We're working on it