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Multi-language support

  1. autoperfs
    Member

    Don't you think this has to remain separate from WP core as really few people need multi lingual support ?
    Having this feature as a plugin is sufficient to my opinion.

    Posted: 1 year ago #
  2. lenart
    Member

    12345

    We shouldn't be jumping into conclusions too quickly. I believe quite a lot of people, who are using WordPress for other purposes than blogging platform, would appreciate multi-language support. The internet cleared the physical boundaries between the countries and unless you're living in an english speaking country you'll likely want to have your site in at least two languages. Not all of these projects are commercial so expecting everyone to buy WPML is somewhat a downside for WordPress as a platform. Hence, I know people are switching to other platforms for precisely this reason.

    Posted: 1 year ago #
  3. Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
    Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod

    There's work being done on the glotpreas side to get better translations, for a start. I think multiple languages built in would be great, ut there will be a lot of plugins and themes to contend with, that don't have the manpower to translate, even if they are translate ready.

    Posted: 1 year ago #
  4. OC2PS
    Member

    12345

    Ipsentu, with respect, I don't think you fully comprehend the fundamental issue under discussion.

    This has nothing to do with GlotPress-based WordPress translations or translations of plugins. Once plugins start using Glotpress, translations can be outsourced, just like WordPress' translations are.

    We are talking about a different issue entirely. We are talking about enabling multilingual content a la WPML. If I use WP as CMS for a multilingual site, there needs to be WPML-like functionality built into the core to manage multiple language versions of each piece of content (pages, posts, menus, etc). For that matter, even for custom-versions of Glotpress-translated WP and plugin strings.

    Posted: 1 year ago #
  5. Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
    Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod

    No, I got it, I was just touching on the very beginning of the ability to do what you want :)

    See, without any translations built into WP, you can't hope to have multilingual content, because the default strings will be in the default language. I see content as step 2. Step 1 needs to be a true, multilinguage, install of WP.

    There are a lot of strings we hook into with plugins and themes, and if those were, by default, all translated correctly, we could leverage that in our plugins and themes, and thus automatically have the front-facing language correct. Content is a huge part of the mix, to be sure, but if you write an awesome post in French, and the text in the comment area still says 'Comment here', well you look foolish :/

    Sadly, the only true way to have multilanguage content is to manually translate it. There's no automated way, yet, that gets it right (though Google Translate is getting better).

    I had the awesome luck to sit in on a WordCamp session in Montreal about this. My french is enough to debug with and order breakfast, but Shannon Smith did, I felt, a nice job outlying the issues and current avenues.

    http://www.slideshare.net/cafenoirdesign/taking-wordpress-to-the-world-options-for-a-multilingual-site

    http://www.netmagazine.com/tutorials/build-multilingual-site-wordpress

    I don't disagree with the main point. We need a better solution for Multiple Languages :/ I think that WordPress needs to start by doing a better job with multiple languages in core, and possible pushing themes and plugins to have translatable strings (and in a way that doesn't rely on you uploading a translation folder into the plugin, which can get overwritten with a plugin upgrade, damn it).

    In a weird way, it makes content the easy hurdle!

    Posted: 1 year ago #
  6. OC2PS
    Member

    12345

    Thanks Ipsentu. I understand your perspective now. I will also check out the links you posted later today.

    I think you have touched on an important point. WP has loads of translations, but allows single-language installations, not multilingual ones. Why can't I specify that I need German, French and English strings when I install WP?

    Posted: 1 year ago #
  7. Ipstenu (Mika Epstein)
    Half-Elf Support Rogue & Mod

    I believe if you copy all the language packs to your server (i.e. put all the files in /wp-content/languages) then then users can pick and choose a back-end language for their experience.

    Posted: 1 year ago #
  8. OC2PS
    Member

    12345

    I know. But it's not quite the same.

    Multilingual backends are important, but not even in same league as the frontend.

    Most sites don't require users to log in. If you are a visitor (as opposed to logged-in user) then you can't use other languages..there isn't browser language detection or something...

    Posted: 1 year ago #
  9. GabLeRoux
    Member

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    Do this! NOW!
    Faites-le! Maintenant!
    ¡Haz esto! AHORA!
    做到這一點!吧!

    Posted: 1 year ago #
  10. arhak
    Member

    12345

    in canada it is mandatory to use both languages (english & french)

    Posted: 1 year ago #

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